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  • 어디에 있나, 어디에 있을까?
    Where is it, where will it be at?
    DPRKNBNCS05/06
     

    DPRKNBNCS 01/06-북조선의 최초의 핵 단지, 녕변 핵 단지의 시간적 동선을 고찰한다[Nyoung Byeon Nuclear Complex Time Line]

    DPRKNBNCS 02/06-북조선의 녕변 핵 단지로의 귀환[A Return Trip to North Korea’s Nyoung Byeon Nuclear Complex]

    DPRKNBNCS 03/06-핵 무기 생산의 법칙[Nuclear Weapons Production A-Z]

    DPRKNBNCS 04/06-녕변은 미끼, 진짜는 어디 있나?[Nyoung Beyon is a Decoy, where is the Real One?]

    DPRKNBNCS 05/06-어디에 있나, 어디에 있을까?[Where is it, where will it be at?]

    DPRKNBNCS 06/06-녕변의 모든 경수로들은 미끼다!  그렇다면?[All of Light Water Nuclear Reactors in Nyoung Byon are Decoys!  It is then, Therefore?]

     

    Journal by Joon H. Park
    Photos by Media Thai Post
     

     

    Prologue: 녕변의 핵 단지를 정밀 고찰을 하면서 하나 포착한 것은 녕변 군 내에 소재한 두 기의 원자로(5메가와트 그리고 50메가와트 전기 생산 용)는 분명한 대미 대쟈이오니스 협상 용으로 활용 중인 미끼(Decoy) 라는 것을 알 수 있었는데요 도 한 가지 큰 수확 이라면 녕변군 내에 소재하고 있는 두 기의 원자로 이외에 또 다른 원자로 들의 시설이 지상이 아닌 지하에 있음을 포착한 것 입니다.

    지난 글에서 이미 단군 박공은 녕변의 두 기의 원자로는 미끼라고 하는 화두를 던진 바 있습니다. 그렇다면, “녕변군 전체가 아무짝에도 쓸모 없는 미끼 인가?” 인가 라는 또 다른 화두가 머리 한 구석에 자리잡게 되는 것을 아실 수 있습니다. 그건 아니라는 것이지요. 왜 일까요? 그 단적인 이유를 아래에서 풀어 보고자 오늘의 글을 기록 중에 있습니다.

    거두절미, 들어 가겠습니다.

    북조선의 필살 기는 무엇인가?[What are these fundamental Weapons Systems in the Possession of the DPRK?]

    그간 작금의 마라톤 프로젝트(Marathon Project: 를 진행을 하고있는 단군 박공의 머리 속에 박혀있는 단 하나의 방점 입니다. “북조선의 필살기들 에는 무엇이 있을까?”

    한 웅쿰도 되지 않을 북조선을 작금의 거대 군사대국인 미국과 이스라엘이 두려워 벌벌 떨고 있는 현상을 도대체 어떻게 납득을 해야 할 까요? 물론, 수골 진영 에서는 여전히 미국의 미사일 요격체계 라든 지를 들고 나오면서 남한이 미국의 핵 우산 안에서 영원히 국방을 보장 받을 수 있을 것이라는 안일한 생각으로 어제도 그리고 오늘도 느긋하게 있을 것으로 사려됩니다만 엄중한 현실 세계 에서의 분석가들은 그러한 시각과는 많은 차이를 보이고 있다는 점을 감안하고 현 사안을 들여다 본다면 이거 참 미국과 이스라엘 측에서는 자극의 명줄이 걸린 매우 심각한 문제이다 라는 것이지요.

    바로, 이러한 화두가 있었기에 집요하게 북조선의 필살 기가 무엇인가를 알아내기 위해서 날밤을 여러 번 세우기도 했었던 것입니다.

    그래서, 발견한 것이 이제는 민족진영 에서는 상식과 같은 정보인 “상온 핵융합로, 신소재 기술 및 이온추진 비행체의 실존” 이었습니다.

    이온추진 비행체가 실존 한다는 말의 의미는 핵융합을 할 수 있는 융합 원자로가 존재 있다고 하는 듯이며 동시에 핵융합 기술을 이용한 원자로를 운영 중에 있다 라고 하는 말의 의미는 그러한 극강의 열 에너지를 담을 수 있는 새로운 신소재 확보가 이미 실용화 되었다고 하는 것이지요.
     

    관련기사--> 백두산 호랑이여, 응답하라 신(神)의 기지(基地)와 서해의 날개, 온천 지하 요새[Underground Base of the Holly War and the Wings of West Sea, Oncheon Underground Fortress]
     
     

    그렇다면, 이제 위의 세 개의 필살 기 중에서도 두 가지(이온추진 비행체 와 신소재 기술의 실존) 기술에 관한 “물증(Hard Evidence)”을 확보한 상태 라면 마지막 남은 핵융합로의 첨단 기술이 녹아있을 핵융합로의 소재지 파악에 모든 역량을 집중해야 한다는 결론을 도출하게 된 것입니다.

    물론, 확정적 이지는 않습니다. 그러나, 녕변 군 내의 핵 단지의 대공 방어 망의 구성 이라든지 녕변시 에서 녕변 군 핵 단지로의 지하 갱도의 방향 및 약산 주변의 지하 기지 입구 그리고 용추동에 소재한 지하기지들 과의 개연 성을 고찰해본 결과 이곳에는 단지 두 기의 어린아이 장남감 과 같은 원자로가 있을 뿐만 아니라 북조선에서도 아직 세상에 그 얼굴을 확실히 보여주지 않고 있는 핵융합로가 있을 수도 있겠다는 물음표를 끄집어 낼 수 있었다는 것입니다.

    핵융합로의 실제 운용을 가장 확실하게 알 수 있는 방법 이라면 실제로 그곳을 방문하고 두 눈으로 확인하는 길입니다만 그렇게 할 수 있을만한 방법이 없음으로 인해서 전후 관계를 짚어 봄으로써 추측을 하는 단게 까지가 한계 이라는 점 역시 납득을 하실 것으로 사려됩니다.

    그럼, 왜 굳이 단군 박공이 북조선에서는 이미 핵융합로 기술을 완성했을 뿐만 아니라 한 발짝 나아가서 이 기술을 응용한 상온 핵융합 발전 기술까지 손에 넣었다는 것을 밝혀 내려고 할까요?

    다시 말씀 드리면 그 전에 활동하던 어느 인터넽 동아리 모임에서 그곳 운영자이던 꼴통 방장이 단군 박공에게 그러더군요, “그렇게 민감한 북조선의 군사 시설 분석을 왜 하니? 누가 그런 거 알고 싶다고 했니? 미국의 군사 시설이나 분석을 하든지” 라고 말입니다.

    꼴통도 저 정도이면 아래의 관련가사의 주인공인 사이코 패쓰의 꼴통과 막상 막하 격은 아닌가 하는 생각들을 합니다.

     

    유사기사--> 3년 간 여대생 괴롭힌 비밀 ‘스토커’ 알고 보니…꼴통 남친 

     

    무슨 말씀 인지 익히 아실 것으로 생각을 합니다.

    누누이 말씀을 드리지만, 단군 박공이 작금 진행 중인 북조선의 군사시설 분석에서 의도하고자 하는 바는 북조선이 그간 66년간 아무것도 하지 않은 체로 그저 식량 내놓아라 하면서 주변 국들에게 배째 라고 꼬장을 부리고 있는 두려워 해야 하고 더럽다고 침을 뱉어야 할 대상이 아니라 대한민국의 국민들이 알지 못하는 사이 미국과 서방 식 자본주의에 철저히 유린 당하고 노예 국으로 예속 당하고 있을 그 무렵 허리띠를 바짝 졸라매고 그 험한 고난의 행군을 해오고 있을 뿐만 아니라 이제는 미국과 이스라엘 조차 함부로 범접할 수 없는 극강의 군사 대국의 입지 전적인 위치에 자력갱생의 힘으로 스스로 올라서 있다는 것을 과학적으로 밝혀 내기 위해서 밤낮을 가리지 않고 분석 중 인 것입니다. 이러한 극강의 군사력을 보위한 북조선이니 그들에게 경외심을 보내지는 못할망정 막연한 두려움에 사로잡혀 내치는 우를 범하지 말라는 의도로 진행 중인 프로젝트 입니다.

    대한민국에는 자신의 선조들이 싸갈긴 똥과 오줌으로 인해서 민족진영으로 들어오려고 해도 들어 올 수 없는 인물들이 있습니다. 바로, 이러한 영혼 없는 인물들이 이제 악질 반동의 길을 걸어갈 수 밖에 없는 구석으로 몰리는 것인데요, 그 와는 반대로 대략 80%에 달하는 국민 대다수는 상위 1%의 언론 조작으로 인한 철저한 세뇌 공작의 희생물 이라는 의미이니 이러한 글을 읽고 그 우매한 마음의 눈을 뜨고 북조선에 마음으로 라도 힘을 실어야 하는 운동에 동참을 해야 한다는 의미 입니다.

    이런 의도로 글을 기록해도 어느 동아리 모임의 방장과 같은 꼴통들은 수꼴과 같은 행보를 보이고 있음 입니다. 아주 우습습니다 이런 꼴통들을 보고 있노라면 말이지요.

    아무튼, 이러한 의도로 글을 기록하면서 이제 녕변까지 당도 했습니다.

    당도하고 정밀하게 그 내막을 들여다 보니 이게 또 아이들 장난이 아니라는 것을 발견한 것입니다.

    이제 아래의 사진을 보시지요.


    위의 사진을 보시다시피 녕변 군 내의 대공 방어 망이 말 그대로 살벌할 정도로 조밀하게 구성이 되어 있습니다.

    만의 하나. 녕변 소재 두 기의 원자로가 그저 협상용 미끼라고 한다면 이런 정도의 국부를 쏟아 부어서 대공 방공 망을 구성하지는 않을 것이라는 의미 입니다.

    나아가서, 이들 사진 상에서 목격하시는 대공 망은 싸그리 현지 “고정 식(Fixed) 대공 방공 시설물들(Anti Air Missile Defense Facility)” 이라는 점을 감안 한다면 이곳 녕변에는 어린아이 같은 두 기의 원자로 뿐만 아니라 그 무엇인가가 지상에서는 확인이 불가능한 지하에 존재 한다는 의미로 생각을 해 볼 수 있을 것이라는 뜻 입니다.

    사진 상에서 보시는 대공 기지는 외곽의 기지로 도합 22곳과 녕변 핵 단지 내부의 2곳을 합한 총 24곳 입니다만 이는 고정 식 이고 이동 식 쌤 미사일 기지(SAM, Surface to Air Missile, Battery)를 포함 한다면 상상이 되지 않을 수의 미사일 기지가 있음을 아실 수 있습니다.

    이를 일고 있을 미국 측에서 이곳에 무인 정찰기(Drones)를 보내서 공중 정밀 정찰을 시도 한다거나 유인 전폭기를 출격 시켜 폭격을 감행 하는 날에는 이곳이 쑥밭이 되기 전에 미국의 본토와 전폭기가 날아오를 남한의 주한미군 8공군여단이 이미 죽탕이 되어 있을 것이라는 추측이 그저 우스개 소리로만 들지는 않는다는 것이지요.

    바로 이러한 대공 망을 보기만 해도 이곳이 단순한 군사시설이 있는 곳이 아님을 역으로 밟아 올라갈 수 있다는 것이지요. 사진만 보아도 저 곳에 함부로 발 디딜 틈 조차 없는 것으로 분석이 됩니다. 북조선의 대공 망이 현 지구 상에서 가장 조밀한 대공 망을 구성하고 있다는 사실은 익히 널리 알려진 사실 입니다만 녕변 주변에 이 정도의 대공 망이 구축되어 있다는 의미는 전혀 모르고 게셨을 것으로 사려됩니다.

    자, 아래의 두 분째 사진을 보시지요.


    위의 사진은 녕변 시의 시가지를 보여주고 있습니다.

    그런데요, 일반 시 와는 다른 독특한 기운을 느끼실 수 있을 것이라고 생각을 합니다.

    시가지를 자세히 보시면 사진에 박아 넣은 것처럼 지상의 시가지 아래로 지하로 또 다른 녕변 시가 건설되어 있다는 것을 포착 하실 수 있을 것이라고 믿습니다.


    나아가서, 시의 우측 끝에서 시작이 된 지하 갱도가 좌측의 약산 산성의 우측 끝 단과 그 동선이 정확히 일치함으로써 이곳의 지하 도시는 약산 내부로 관통해서 구축 되어있음을 아실 수 있습니다.

    아래의 사진을 또 보시지요.


    처음에는 지하 갱도 인지 아니면 도랑 인지가 정확히 구별이 되지 않을 수도 있을법한 갱도가 보이나 더욱 정밀하게 분석을 하고 보면 이곳의 갱도가 좌측에 보이는 지상공장의 지하로 흘러 들어가고 있음을 포착 하실 수 있습니다. 그 공장으로 들어갔던 지하 갱도가 좌측 끝으로 잠시 나오는가 싶더니 다시 지하로 잠적을 해버립니다.

    그렇다면, 이제 이곳 녕변은 단순한 지상의 도시뿐만 아니라 녕변 군 전체가 지하 도시화 되어 잇다는 추측을 할 수 있다는 의미 입니다.


    아래의 사진을 보시면 의외 라는 생각을 가지실 만큼 일견 평화로운 모습의 녕변의 또 다른 모습이 보여 집니다.


    위의 사진은 약산의 정상에 김정일 국방위원장의 현지 지도 및 당 간부들의 현지시찰을 위해서 마련 된 특각이 자리잡고 있습니다.

    김정일 국방위원장의 현지지도가 이루어지는 곳은 당일로 이루어 지는 곳이라면 열차가 현지까지 들어 가거나 특각의 지하에 임시 방공호가 구축 되어 있다는 것은 이제 상식 입니다.

    약산의 지형을 살펴 보시면 녕변 시와 녕변 핵 단지로 넘어가는 중간에서 여성의 아름다운 젖가슴과 같은 형태로 봉긋이 솟아 오른 모습이고 녕변의 핵 단지가 있는 곳에서도 푼강리와 용추동 사이에서 솟아 오른 또 하나의 조그마한 산봉우리의 모습은 약산에서 뻗은 산 줄기가 그곳에서 날카로운 단도(Dagger, 양 날을 가진 비수)와 같은 모습을 보여주고 있습니다. 우연의 일치 일까요? 이 세상에는 우연이란 있을 수 없을 뿐만 아니라 자신이 붙어 있어야 할 자리마저 알고 있는 한갓 미물인 자석 에게도 우연이란 일은 발생하지 않는 다는 것이지요. 

     

    관련기사--> 단군 박공의 새로운 애마, 롹 호퍼
     
     

    그렇다면 역으로 뒤집어본다면 이곳에 이러한 시설물들이 들어와 잇는 것은 필연 이라는 의미 입니다. 바로, 이 부분에 이르러서야 단군 박공의 입가에 미소가 흐릅니다. 북조선의 그들이 필살기 라고 하는 단초를 잡아가기 시작을 했다는 것이지요. 지상에서 일까요? 아닙니다. 지하 입니다. 지상 에서는 어린아이 장난감 같은 원자로 두 기 달랑 새워놓고 가동을 중지하네 마네 하면서 지하 에서는 온 인민이 달려들어 신나게 뭔가를 돌리고 있었다는 이야기 입니다. 이런 그들의 모든 동선을 차 후 한 편의 영화로 만들면 그 얼마나 스릴이 있을까 하는 생각으로 웃음이 끊이지 않습니다.

    자, 이제 오늘의 글의 마지막 사진을 보여 드리고 끝을 맺을까 합니다.


    위의 사진에서 보시는 바와 같이 다음 번에 있을 글 에서는 녕변 소재 장난감 원자로의 두 기를 대상으로 원자로가 들어서는 곳의 전체적인 구축 형태를 고찰 하기로 하겠습니다만, 오늘의 이 사진 한 장 민으로도 북조선의 녕변 지하 시설이 지니고 있는 중요 성이 얼마나 핵심적인지를 조금 감을 잡으실 것으로 믿습니다.

    이제 위의 사진을 통해서 단군 박공이 이미 말씀을 드린 데로 단지 내의 푼강리와 용추동 사이에 자리잡고 있는 지형의 모습이 마치도 하나의 날카로운 날을 지니고 있는 양날 칼(데거, dagger)의 그것과 매우 닮아 있다는 것을 납득 하시라 줄로 믿습니다.

    Epilogue: 자, 오늘은 녕변 군 내에 소재 하고 있는 그곳의 전체적인 조감도를 근간으로 엄중한 대공 망을 고찰해 보았고요 그러한 조밀한 대공 망의 구축이 단순한 두 기의 원자로를 위한 것만은 아니라는 매우 귀중한 결과물을 도출할 수 있는 시간을 가져 보았습니다.

    이렇게 글을 기록하다 보니 지나가다 님께서 단군 박공의 블로그 글 판에 나경원 성나라당 소속 수꼴 페미X 이 지난 언제 이던가요, 서기 2004년 6월 18일 서울의 한 호텔에서 있었던 원숭이 나라의 ‘자위대(Masturbation Regime)’ 창설 50주년 행사 장에 자신은 정작 그곳에서 무슨 행사를 하는지를 알지 못한 채 참석한 것이었다는 말 같지도 않은 말을 자신의 글 판에 올려놓은 것을 기사화 글을 붙여 주셨습니다. 

     

    관련기사--> 나경원 “자위대 행사 참여, 모르고 간 것”
     

       

    뭐, 이 정도면 막 가자는 의도로 들립니다만 대한민국의 수꼴 페미X 들이 나경원의 진정 성이나 들추면서 정작 그 X 의 지향 성을 짚지 않고 넘어가는 것은 아닌지 참으로 그 점이 걱정 입니다.

    대한민국 수도인 서울의 시장을 누가 꿰차고 들어 앉는가 하는 문제가 차기 대선에 그 얼마나 많은 영향력을 몰고 올 것인지는 자명한 일임을 돌아볼 때에 차기 서울시장 보궐 선거에서 또 다시 “서울을 하느님께 봉헌 하겠다” 는 수꼴 출신의 인물이 당선 된다면 이제 막장으로 가는 시발점으로 작용을 하리라는 것이지요.

    명심하여 주십시오. “진정 성이 아니라 그 사람의 지향 성을 반드시 짚어야 한다”는 것을 말입니다.

    혹시, 그 사람의 지향 성이 보이지 않으십니까? 그렇다면 검색 엔진 이용 하셔서 그 사람이 지난 10년간 자신의 입에서 내뱉은 말들 그리고 그 사람의 손끝으로 친 글들을 검색 하시기를 부탁 드립니다. 그 정도의 노력만을 기울이셔도 판단 하시고자 하는 인물의 지향 성을 110% 정밀하게 짚어 내실 수 있을 것으로 믿어 의심치 않습니다.
     

    관련정보--> 당장 '아마조네스'로 찜을 싸서 떠나라
     
     

    인터넽이 효자 입니다.

    ‘낮 말은 새가 듣고 밤 말은 쥐박이가 듣는다’는 우리 옛 말, 전혀 틀린 말이 아닙니다.

    그런데, 아래와 같은 기사가 있어서 단군 박공이 퍼서 댓 글 판에 참고 삼아 붙여 놓았습니다.

    기사의 내용 만으로는 대한민국의 우주항공국이 러시아와의 합작에서 인공위성 발사에 실패 했다고 하는 작년의 캐캐묵은 기사 입니다.

     

    관련기사--> 나로호 발사실패, 러시아에 또 당했다
     

    북조선의 자체의 생산력과 자체의 발사 체 기술로 그 힘든 3단 미사일을 빵빵 올리는 와중에 이런 기사를 접하고는 그저 허허롭게 실소를 금할 길이 없다는 것이지요.  원천기술이 없는 노예국가의 서러움 입니다

    그러면서, 발사 실패의 책임을 인정하고 꽁짜로 다시 발사를 해달라는 주문을 하는 통에 단군 박공의 배꼽이 떨어져 나와 십 리를 달아나는 것을 겨우 잡아서 제 자리에 박아 넣었습니다.

    그러다가 지난 글에서 시선을 이동해서 해당 글 아래의 마지막 댓 글을 보니 내공 풍부하신 짚신님께서 기사 하나를 또 붙여 주셨습니다. 보아하니, 모든 분들께서 익히 알고 계셨을 쥐박이의 미국 방문 및 유엔 에서의 얼차려 홍보 기사 입니다. 이 쯤 되면 대한민국의 대통령이 아니라 말 그대로 글로벌 호구가 아닌가 하는 측은한 생각이 들 정도 입니다. 그런걸 또 입 헤벌레 벌리고 그 전에 했던 것처럼 오밤아의 골프 전기차량 기사 노릇이나 하고 사진 몇 장 박고 씩씩하게 돌아오는 것은 아닌지 하는 염려를 해보기도 합니다. 강냉이가 전부 뭉개지고 귀국 할지도 모른다면 아예 그 길에 미국에 주저앉아 시민권이나 받아서 눌러 살았으면 하는 바램 졸라 간절합니다.

     

    관련기사--> 이명박 대통령 뉴욕 도착..."재임기간 통일한국 기초 닦을 것"
     

    그간 이 놈의 정부, 이 놈의 쥐박이 새끼가 대국민 사기질, 대북 적데 정책으로 국민경제 및 통일정책을 쥐판 5분 전으로 만들어 놓은 장본인이 저렇게 얼굴 색 하나 바꾸지 않으면서 말 하는 것으로 보니 저 놈이 타고난 사기꾼은 사기꾼인 모양 이구나 하는 생각이 듭니다.

    “재임기간 통일한국 기초를 닦을 것” 이라고 하니 기가 차고 어이가 상실되는 가증스러움을 느낍니다.  제 밑이나 닦을지는 알고 있을는지 그 점이 무척이나 궁금할 따름 입니다.

    이제, 글을 맺을 시간 입니다.

    많은 분들께서 조국 통일의 지연에 조금씩 지쳐가시는 모습을 옆에서 지켜 보면서 안타까운 마음이 듭니다만 이제, 그 고난의 길의 끝이 바로 모퉁이 하나만 돌면 눈에 들어올 수 있는 지간 거리에 있습니다. 조금 더 힘을 내시어서 걸으시다 보면 청계천에서 뒹구는 새빨간 수꼴들의 주인 잃은 모가지들을 보실 수 있으리라고 생각을 합니다.

    그 날이 올 때까지 단군 박공의 어깨에 한 손 얹고 같이 가시지요?

    감사합니다.

    조국 통일

     

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    • 숲길   2011-09-21 21:41:21   ตอบกลับ   

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      많은 수고스러움에 감사드립니다.
      상온핵융합이 참으로 엄청나고 경이적인 것임을 느껴야 하리라 봅니다.
      상온이면 거의 20도에서 전후 5도 안팎인데 대단하다고 생각됩니다.

      인체 조직세포안에서는 수시로 쉴새없이 이런 핵의 분열과 융합이 일어나고 있다고 하는데 바깥 외부에서 이런 기술은 새로운 문명으로의 전환으로 할 수 있을 것입니다.

      인체 조직세포 안에서 원소의 변환이 신비롭게 이루어지고 있다고 하지만 서양의 과학시각은 원소는 전환하지 않는다는 고정적인 면이 많아 이런 융합에 대한
      인식은 아마 동양의 정신을 따라 올수가 없을 것입니다.

      자연계란 분열과 융합이라는 원환운동의 태극운동을 하는 것인데 서양 과학은 분열에 묶여 이 면밖에 못보고 있는 것 같은 것 같습니다.

      화학과 생화학에서도 반응을 결과 반드시 물이 생기는 것이 어떤 융합이 이루어 졌다는 것이 지극한 상식인데 ...

      아마 머지않아 서양의 인식에 기초한 서양의학의 많은 면이 얼마나 제국주의적 횡포에 기초한 사기와 기만으로 풍선이었는가가 밝혀 지게 될 것입니다.

      물론 유익한 면도 있지만 인체에 관한 이해와 약의 수준은 거의 절름발이 수준에 불과한데 현대과학이라는 미명아래 그럴싸하게 치장하여 현혹시킨다는 것도 폭로될 때가 머지 않았다고 생각하고 있습니다.

      회향 속에 있는 한 성분을 추출하여 타미플루를 만들어 전세계인을 속이는 것을 보면 사기도 그런 사기가 없다고 봅니다. 다국적제약회사에 국가들이 장단을 맞추고 ...
      • 단군   2011-09-21 23:46:07   ตอบกลับ   

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        서양의 과학과 의학은 매우 지엽적인 부분에만 집중을 하지 않나 하는 생각을 합니다...

        동양과 같이 근본적이고 자연에서 베어 나오는 이치를 터득하고 조화를 이루려고 하기 보다는 란쪽을 힘으로 누르고 일시적인 효과를 단 기간 안에 보려고 하는 의도가 다분히 각계에서 표출 되는 것은 아닌가 하는 것이지요...

        북조선의 상온 핵융합 기술은 너무나도 충격적인 기술 이기에 서방에서는 삳불리 북조선의 손을 들어줄 수는 없었을 것이라는 분석 입니다...

        상온핵융합 반응 이라면 이미 지구 상의 모든 과학 상식을 뛰어넘는 대사변이기 때문 이라고 생각을 합니다...

        일례로, 자동차의 엔진이 앞으로 어떤 모습으로 급변할지 도무지 감이 잡히지를 않습니다...

        일각 에서는 한번 핵융합로를 장착한 후 100년 이상을 무충전으로 기동을 할 것이라는 예견도 있듯이 인류의 생활 방식이 그 뿌리부터 달라질 것이라는 생각 입니다...

        혹시, 숲길님께서 생명과학 분야의 직종의 전문인 이시라거나 관련 직종에서 몸담고 계시다면 그 분야에서의 고견을 경청하고 싶습니다...

        현재, 황우석 박사님의 뒤를 좆고 있는 데요 이거 참 머리에 든 지식이 일천해서 쉽지 않습니다...

        감사합니다, 숲길님...

    • CBS   2011-09-21 23:16:31   ตอบกลับ   

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      미국 지하도시 2개 파괴 6만명 사망 추정 [8월24일 2개의 지진]
      Two Underground Cities Destroyed On 8-23-2011?

      Sat Sep 17 2011 21:28



      TWO HUGE underground cities were destroyed on August 23rd—which may be seen by historians as the critical moment in which the war was won. 80 different countries have now formed an alliance against the Old World Order/Nazi-esque cabal.

      From DAVID WILCOCK, Friday, 16 September 2011.

      “On Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, I interviewed one of the most interesting and controversial figures on Earth. The information in this interview has the potential to rock the world. If the story is true, it already has…

      The full, unabridged transcript of this interview follows—and you can download and listen to ithere. Headlines and extra comments have been added to enhance readability and context for the interview.

      The best way to get you started on this amazing journey is just to hit the ground running. So here we go…

      Benjamin Fulford: 30 Years as a Financial Journalist

      Hi there. This is David Wilcock, and you’re listening to another Divine Cosmos audioblog exclusive interview with Benjamin Fulford.

      Fulford has worked for Forbes Magazine as the editor for the Asia-Pacific region. People have tried to attack his credibility on this before, but it is documented. I have checked the references myself.

      He was mentioned by Stephen Colbert in one show discussing the so-called Illuminati.

      I will also say that Fulford has contact with an incredible number of different sources. He does seem to back up who these sources as much as humanly possible.

      NUCLEAR STRIKES AGAINST UNDERGROUND BASES

      Recently, these sources informed him that the earthquakes that occurred in Colorado and the Washington DC area, surrounding August 22nd and 23rd, were, in fact, apparently nuclear strikes against underground military facilities.

      [These underground bases] have been built by the US government, ostensibly since the early 1960s, at the cost of trillions of dollars of undocumented taxpayer money that is going into these“black projects.”

      The reason why I contacted Benjamin Fulford is I had [first] read this on his blog [and was amazed.]

      Then I started to contact my own sources, which have been built up over being a public figure on the Internet since 1999—and gaining the trust of many people in various classified programs.

      I was absolutely astonished when I started to ask around and found out that everyone I know, with one exception who probably wasn’t on a need-to-know basis, confirm!ed that this attack did happen.







      THEY NEVER IMAGINED IT COULD HAPPEN

      Now again. I’m going to turn it over to Ben in just a second. One more setup thing I want to say here is this.

      If you haven’t understood the gravity or the implications of what I’m telling you right now, it’s important to point [one thing] out.

      These guys never imagined that these underground facilities could have been attacked. Ever.

      So what has happened here is a seismic shift in this insider war—that is arguably as significant as the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II.

      And in fact, it may very well be the workings of the Universe, in terms of karma, that the people responsible for those attacks have now had it happen to them.

      CODE RED—ON A NEED-TO-KNOW BASIS

      There is undeniable significance in this happening. I was astonished at the depth of detail I have been able to get from my own sources about what happened.

      I have been told that the situation is now considered Code Red. However, it is also being withheld from most of the people in these [classified] programs. It’s on a need-to-know basis.

      Even the sources I am in contact with, all except for one, did not even have the need-to-know basis high enough to know why this happened. Or who was responsible for it!

      MINING FOR INFORMATION

      So the only thing we know is that the powers that were, as I like to call them, have been putting out stories on the Internet about this event.

      What they’re actually doing is they are trying to mine for information. They want to find out who knows what.

      And I am astonished that my own sources lack the knowledge that Benjamin Fulford has been putting out as to who is responsible for this… and why [it was done].

      UP TO SIXTY THOUSAND DEATHS—AND NO INSIDER IS SAFE

      My intelligence suggests it is possible that as many as 30,000 people were in each of these two underground cities at the time that [the explosions] went off. So we’re talking about the potential of 60,000 deaths.

      We’re also talking about the potential that anyone else working for these programs who is in one of these facilities, which could either be underground or possibly off-world, such as in a space station, on the Moon or elsewhere… is now totally alone and unguarded.

      They are not going to be protected. They are not safe. And their superiors are not informing them of the risk they are now in by being in those locations.

      SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

      I want to set the record straight. I want to get the man to talk to you, the public, and hear, firsthand, what the hell is going on, who did this, why did they do this, and what are the implications.

      So Ben, that’s my intro. Let’s hear from you now. I’m very interested in this.

      BRETTON WOODS SET THE STAGE

      BF: There has been a very esoteric battle over control of the dollar printing machine for the global financial system.

      What happened was that at the end of World War II, at the Bretton Woods accords of 1944, Britain, France and the US were given the right to control the world’s currency.

      They were supposed to have a Marshall Plan to develop Africa and Asia as well as Europe.

      They reneged on their promise, and instead started to fake a “cold war” with the Soviet Union—which was designed to support the military industries.

      77 NON-ALIGNED NATIONS SET UP GLOBAL COLLATERAL ACCOUNTS

      Then, the group of non-aligned nations—77 nations—pooled their assets… all their wealth, their gold and other valuables… and set up some global collateral accounts.

      They wanted to use this money to start the Marshall Plans for Asia and Africa.

      KENNEDY TRIED TO END THE FED—AND THE COLD WAR

      President Kennedy agreed to go along with this after he found out that there was a group that was trying to very seriously get the Soviet Union and the United States to annihilate each other. This was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

      The historical accord is called the Hilton Green Memorial. This is available to any serious researcher in financial history.

      President Sukarno [of Indonesia] was the signatory for the countries. He was going to give Kennedy—they gave Kennedy 140,000 tons of gold.

      Kennedy passed a law allowing Congress, not the Federal Reserve Board, to create dollars [from these gold-backed global collateral accounts given to the United States.]

      Kennedy also said, “Let’s go to the Moon, instead of this cold war, to stimulate industry. Let’s develop the poor countries and let’s develop space instead of having this fake Cold War.”

      KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED—AND THE CLOCK RAN OUT IN 1994

      Kennedy did put out a lot of money, but he was assassinated. As you know, the public space program just disappeared in the 1970s when that funding ran out, and just stopped completely. President Sukarno was hounded from office.

      The international agreement that left Britain, France and the United States in charge of the world’s financial system expired in 1994. That is why they wound down the Soviet Union.

      After 1994, there was no accord at the very top level of the world’s financial system about who would be in charge next. There was a split in the ranks.

      CHINA AND NON-ALIGNED NATIONS WANTED FINANCIAL CONTROL

      (조중러 진영을 의미하는 듯)

      The Chinese and the non-aligned nations were pressuring the oligarchs who had been running things since World War II to hand over control of the dollar printing press—the financial system—but they were reluctant.

      The international court of justice at the Hague was sued by the Chinese over gold that the Federal Reserve Board owners sold them.

      THE FED HAD TO PAY UP ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2001

      The Federal Reserve Board owners lost this lawsuit, and they were told to hand over the gold… starting on September 12, 2001.

      Instead, on September 11th, 2001, as you all know, they gave the world the finger and started this huge, fake, global war on terror. It was part of an attempt [at controlling the planet] by the fascist groups of World War II.

      THEY WANTED GLOBAL FASCISM—AND 90% FEWER PEOPLE

      The Nazis and their fascist sympathizers in the US, and England, and Italy, [along] with a group that can be found within the military, in Congress, and in the Vatican, were going to set up a global fascist government.

      At the same time, they had this belief that there were too many people. Especially too many, according to them, inferior brown-type people.

      They wanted to reduce the world’s population by 90 percent.

      DW: This is documented?

      BF: Yes, it’s very well documented.

      I was invited to join this group by Heizo Takanaka, who was the Japanese finance minister for five years. I have a tape recording of this invitation to prove it.

      THEY WANTED TO HIDE UNDERGROUND AFTER NUKING THE PLANET

      They were planning to hide in these underground bases after they set off a nuclear holocaust.(지구상에 핵전쟁 터뜨리고 그 지하기지에 숨으려고 계획했었는데 미제 지하도시도 안전하지 않다는 것이 입증되어 버림)

      The original plan was to start a nuclear war between Iran and Israel, and use that as an excuse to set up martial law in the G7 countries—and then prepare for war against China.(원래 계획은 이란과 이스라엘 핵전쟁이었데요. 그 후 중국과 전쟁하려고 했었답니다.)



      RUSSIA AND CHINA CUT THEM OFF

      This plan fell apart when Russia kicked them out—and Putin re-asserted independence for Russia. That removed their control—the oil industry—and made that whole plan not work.

      The Chinese also stopped buying US treasuries for a while to put pressure on this group.

      THEY OFFERED TO PARTNER WITH CHINA IN WORLD DICTATORSHIP

      So they switched strategies. Instead, they tried to suck up to China and offer them a world dictatorship… in partnership with this group.

      That’s why in public you saw Obama visit China in 2009 and offer a “G2”. This is how you can confirm! this.

      THEY ARE BEING CUT OFF—AND ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY

      In any case, this group that carried out the 9/11 attacks has been under increasing pressure, and under isolation, at the very highest levels.

      They are running out of money. They are being cut off.

      WHAT ABOUT THE “MISSING” 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS?

      DW: Ben, right before September 11th, a lot of people forgot about this. Donald Rumsfeld goes on national television and says that they “lost” 2.3 trillion dollars from the Pentagon over the previous decade.

      Does that have anything to do with this gold thing you are talking about?

      BF: Oh yeah.

      FINANCING “MURDER INCORPORATED”

      That money was used to finance Blackwater—a private army not controlled by the Pentagon.

      The Pentagon would not let themselves be controlled by this cabal. So they were trying to do what the Nazis did in World War II—create an elite SS corps that could bully the regular military.

      That was where that money went to, as far as my sources are concerned.

      DW: Wow.

      BF: In any case, we were contacted by smugglers, drug smugglers…

      DW: Could you just say who “We” is, for a minute?

      THE WHITE DRAGON SOCIETY—MANY GROUPS COLLABORATING

      BF: “We” is a group of us who are involved in the fight to overthrow this cabal.

      It includes members of the CIA, the Pentagon, the [intelligence] agencies, and various [other groups], including Asian secret societies.

      We use the name White Dragon. There is another group that calls themselves the White Hats.

      We all have the same goal, which is to get this insane group of people out of power.

      WHY FULFORD?

      DW: Some of the criticism I have seen from people on the Internet is, “If this group is so vast and so powerful to fight this cabal, why is Benjamin Fulford the only one talking about this?”

      BF: These people like their secrecy—and I am a spokesperson.

      When you go to the White House, there is only one voice they give to the public. They prefer to work behind the scenes.

      You’ve got to realize we’re dealing in a world where they use assassination like most of us use tissue papers.

      DW: Sure.

      IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO STAND AGAINST THE CABAL

      BF: I’ve had about six murder attempts myself. One of my colleagues, a CIA guy, was recently poisoned with ricin by these guys.

      Another one of our members in Switzerland has guards around his house, and they just shot someone last week near his house who was trying to kill him.

      Before that, they found a Mafioso by the name of Vincenzo Mazzamaro who had a gun and a sophisticated lock-picking device, and was trying to get into his place.

      Another one of us had a concrete bag miss him by a couple of inches last week.

      DW: Wow.

      BF: We’re dealing with some very dangerous people. That’s why there is a need for secrecy.

      FULFORD IS BILINGUAL AND HIGH PROFILE IN ASIA THANKS TO FORBES

      DW: I’ve also speculated [the following reason why these Asian groups entrusted you with this responsibility.]

      You are in Japan, and you’re a “gaijin”—a foreigner, a white person. You have the background of being a distinguished editor for Forbes Magazine.

      You are bilingual, you do speak fluent Japanese. There are several videos you have released now that show that.

      This might have been part of what gave you this platform to give these Asian secret societies a voice.

      Would you say that is correct?

      WHY WASN’T JAPAN USING ITS MONEY TO HEAL THE PLANET?

      BF: What happened in my case was that I asked a very simple and obvious question when I was at Forbes.

      The Japanese people—that includes both public and the private sector—have about 8 trillion dollars worth of assets overseas.

      DW: Eight trillion dollars?

      BF: Yeah. That’s in the public record. You can go to the finance ministry homepage and the numbers are there.

      According to the UN development report, you need 400 billion to stop environmental destruction and 200 billion to end poverty.

      So I’m saying, “Hey, you guys, why don’t you end poverty and stop environmental destruction?”

      DW: Okay, hold on, hold on.

      BF: It’s a no-brainer!

      400 BILLION? THAT’S IT?

      DW: 400 billion is all it takes to completely stop environmental destruction? How is that possible?

      BF: That’s an annual budget. This is the UN development report. You’d have to go through their experts and find out how they did those numbers.

      DW: Okay. But that’s public domain.

      So the eight trillion is vastly more than what it would take to end poverty and stop environmental destruction.

      BF: Yeah.

      JAPANESE REVENUE DRAINED FROM RECONSTRUCTION DEBTS

      [Wilcock note: Elsewhere, Fulford said he found that a significant percentage of Japanese revenue was being paid to the oil cabal—thanks to exploitive reconstruction contracts with high interest rates that were signed after World War II.

      These contracts were reinforced with bribery, blackmail, death threats and assassinations of Japanese government officials who didn’t agree.]

      90 PERCENT OF WORLD SAVINGS ABSORBED BY US MILITARY

      BF: The other thing is that if you look at the statistics, you realize that 90 percent of the world’s savings was being sucked out of the system by the US military-industrial complex.

      DW: How do you prove that?

      BF: I was a financial journalist for 25 years. This is all public-record stuff.

      DW: Ninety percent of the US budget is going to the military.

      BF: There’s an easy way to check. Just look at the US external trade deficit and compare it to the US military budget. You’ll find an amazing similarity over the years.

      DW: (Laughs)

      BF: That’s for the simple reason that the military does not produce tradable goods. They were a parasitic entity on the world economy.

      WHY NOT HEAL THE WORLD AND COLONIZE SPACE?

      What I said was simply, “Look. Why don’t you just stop paying for this military?” I told this to the Asians, “..and instead ask them to [end poverty and environmental destruction] and set them to exploring space?”

      It’s the sort of thing that’s just common sense.

      DW: Okay, Ben, your audio just cut out on that last sentence. [Missing content was replaced in brackets.]

      BF: I think that is common sense.

      DW: Okay.

      ASSASSINATION ORDERS

      BF: What happened was that an assassination order came out for me.

      The South Korean secret police informed the Chinese that there was an order to have me killed.

      You can check. My colleague Paul Klebnikov, the Moscow bureau chief for Forbes Magazine, was shot nine times outside of his apartment in Moscow.

      He was still alive when the ambulance came an hour later. He got to the hospital and he was put in the hospital elevator. The elevator was stopped for eight minutes—and he died in the elevator.

      He was investigating a member of this same group that I was.

      He was investigating Boris Berezovsky, one of the oil tycoons.

      I was investigating Heizo Takenaka—but they all go back to the same cabal.

      DW: Right.

      THE WAR ON TERROR WAS OBVIOUSLY A FAKE

      BF: In any case, the South Koreans told the Chinese that an assassination order was out for me. This was because of my publicly calling for the Asians to stop spending their savings on this vast military machine.

      You have got to remember, during the Cold War they actually had this anti-Communism excuse.

      But, the War on Terror was so obviously fake that it was just ridiculous to anybody who does any serious research or investigation.

      DW: Right.

      CHINESE SECRET SOCIETY OFFERS PROTECTION

      BF: I got invited to join a Chinese secret society that offered me protection from this assassination order—and that’s how I found myself in this secret world of financial power.

      The group that offered me protection was the group that was behind the non-aligned nations.

      It crosses borders. If you think in terms of countries, you don’t understand how these people work.

      They have big factions in China, in the US and in Europe—both against and for them. It crosses borders.

      If you think in terms of nation-states, you won’t understand how these groups work.

      CHINESE FIGHT FINANCIAL BATTLE BY BUYING REAL ASSETS

      In any case, a financial battle started. There were many, many public salvos.

      In 2006, the Chinese wanted to use their dollars to do something other than buy Treasuries.

      They tried to buy the oil company Unocal. Congress passed a law saying they could not.

      So then they took their dollars and they went to Africa, South America and everywhere, and started spending them on real things—like mines and agricultural land and commodities.

      Not virtual things—like fancy and impossible to understand derivatives products, which are basically con jobs.

      DW: Ponzi schemes. Yeah.

      BF: Yeah.

      FOOD AND OIL PRICES INCREASED BY CABAL

      The other group tried to retaliate by jacking up food and oil prices.

      Remember there were hunger riots in 33 countries at one point.

      DW: Yeah.

      BF: It was an economist at the World Bank who pointed out the reason people were going hungry was that they were paying farmers to grow oil [ethanol made from corn] instead of food.

      That put an end to that.

      2008 LEHMAN SHOCK WAS ASIAN COUNTER-ATTACK

      Then there was a counter-attack.

      The [leaders of the cabal] were told that we would no longer accept dollars printed within the United States.

      That’s what you know of as the Lehman crisis.

      76 PERCENT DROP IN JAPANESE CAR EXPORTS TO THE US

      You can check this in the public record.

      If you look at Japanese export statistics, from October or November 2008, after the Lehman shock, you will see something like a 76 percent year-to-year drop in Japanese car exports to the US.

      This was the Japanese and other people saying, “You can no longer use paper to buy stuff from the rest of the world. You have to trade with real things.”

      Of course, your public was not let in on this.

      DW: That’s where I think people’s brain is going to get busted. Nobody publicly knows that this Lehman shock had anything to do with Asia.

      BF: Yeah, I know. The way you can check it is to look at the export-import! statistics after the Lehman shock.

      The other way to check it is to look at the Baltic Dry Index. That’s the price of shipping.

      90 PERCENT DROP IN THE PRICE OF SHIPPING

      You will see that the price of shipping dropped 90 percent right after the Lehman shock.

      DW: Wow.

      BF: That’s because the ships were no longer going to the US, full of stuff, and then leaving empty [with nothing but worthless paper and IOUs].

      These are ways people can verify what I’m saying with public-record information.

      DW: Good. Okay.

      NORWAY SHOOTING WAS AN ATTEMPT TO EXTORT 1.5 TRILLION

      BF: Getting back to the blowing up of the underground bases, this group was being cut off more and more at a high level, and they were running out of money.

      They were trying to extort money from various countries.

      They killed the youth group of the ruling party in Norway—that was the Norway attacks—because they were trying to extort the 1.5 trillion-dollar oil fund the Norwegian government controls.

      They were saying, “Hey, we’re going to kill you if you don’t hand over your money.”

      DW: [They were] just desperately trying to find cash.

      BF: Yeah. They invaded Libya to take over their oil fields, because the Libyans told them, “We’re not going to give you oil for your paper anymore.”

      DW: Hmmm.

      NUCLEAR BOMB SMUGGLED INTO JAPAN WITH 70 KILOS OF MARIJUANA

      BF: In the case of Japan, again, I have sources who are actually drug smugglers. They have been selling drugs in Japan for 70 years.

      These are CIA types. The CIA drug-smuggling division.

      They told me that a nuclear bomb had been brought in with their latest shipment of drugs.

      This was a 70-kilo shipment of adulterated Thai marijuana that was brought in through Okinawa.

      They found a nuclear bomb mixed in with it.

      And of course, with these guys, smuggling drugs is one thing, but smuggling nuclear weapons is another.

      They told the police, and they told me. I made it public.

      They followed the bomb as far as the North Korean citizens’ association headquarters in Tokyo.

      FOUR NUKES STOLEN FROM THE RUSSIAN SUB ‘KURSK’

      I have independent confirmation from a Mr. Paul Lane, of Pentagon military intelligence—he was a part of the Men Who Stare At Goats group—that four nuclear weapons were stolen from the Russian submarine Kursk after it sank.

      I think it was in 2000 or something.

      It was one of those nuclear weapons that was smuggled in [to Japan].

      DW: Stolen by who, though?

      BF: This is the Odessa group. The Nazi group. The one that was trying to set up a fascist world government—a Fourth Reich.

      DW: Okay. How did they get to the Kursk to get these nukes out?

      BF: I don’t know the technical details, but they have submarine bases in various parts of the world. I assume it was from one of these submarine bases.

      WHY STEAL NUKES IF YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN?

      DW: The next question, then, would be why would they need to get it from the Kursk if they are powerful enough to make their own?

      BF: The public nuclear devices are under strict safety protocols. You can’t just take them and then blow them up somewhere. There are too many people involved in the chain of command.

      They tried to do that.



      MINOT AIR FORCE BASE INCIDENT: FAILED SMUGGLING ATTEMPT

      There were incidents where [the good guys] just barely stopped a nuclear…

      DW: Right. Like the Minot Air Force Base incident.

      BF: Yeah, exactly.

      DW: The soldiers did a mutiny and would not commit this “Broken Arrow”. That’s what they called it in code terms.

      [Insiders attempted to smuggle out a nuclear weapon from Minot AFB. Several of these heroes died as a result of standing up against this plan and refusing to allow the nuclear weapon to be stolen.]

      BF: There you go. What they needed was some nuclear weapons that were not under any official government control.

      DW: Okay.

      JAPANESE SHIP DRILLING TEN KILOMETERS AT EXACT EPICENTER

      BF: There was a Japanese drilling ship known as the Chikuyu Maru that can drill ten kilometers into the seabed.

      They were drilling at the exact epicenter of the earthquake.

      We had an article from January 17th in a local paper saying they were drilling there.

      They put the bomb in the seabed.

      HAND OVER THE CASH—OR TOKYO WILL BE NEXT

      This was an attempt to extort money, through terror, from the Japanese.

      DW: So they warned Japan that they put the nuke in [the seabed] before they asked for money?

      BF: No, they asked for money afterwards.

      DW: Oh, wow.

      BF: “If you don’t do it, next it’s Mount Fuji.”

      DW: For people who don’t know, Fujiyama is right around Tokyo, which is the largest population center of Japan.

      BF: Yes. That’s right.

      DW: So basically they are saying they would nuke Tokyo, which is how many million people? Thirty or forty million?

      BF: Thirty million or so.

      DW: Right. Okay.

      JAPANESE PRIME MINISTER HANDED OVER 20 BILLION

      BF: The Japanese prime minister [Naoto] Kan originally was so cowardly, he just said, “Oh yeah, all right, we’ll sign over money.”

      He handed over something like two trillion yen, which is about 20 billion dollars. And they gave him a big bribe.

      MAJOR BATTLE WAS TRIGGERED IN JAPAN TO REMOVE THE CABAL

      The evidence that this was not a natural disaster began piling up.

      The result has been a battle here in Japan to remove these people from control.

      WHY DO YOU THINK THIS WAS NOT A NATURAL EARTHQUAKE?

      DW: Some people might not realize there is any evidence that Fukushima was not a natural disaster. Could you just briefly touch on a couple of points that you think are the most significant?

      BF: If you look at the seismic chart, you will see a sudden explosion.

      It’s not like a natural earthquake, where you have pre-shocks. It was just suddenly huge, and then it started fading down.

      UNDERGROUND BASE EXPLOSIONS ALSO STARTED BIG

      It was the same with the underground bases.

      If you look at a seismic chart, it will look like a big line all of a sudden appearing, and then a smaller line afterwards.

      There is no buildup, as you would find in a natural earthquake.

      PLUTONIUM PUT IN FUKUSHIMA A MONTH BEFORE THE ATTACK

      There is plenty of evidence.

      The governor of Fukushima province told me they overruled him and put plutonium in reactor number 3.

      [This was only] one month before the tsunami incident.

      DW: Only a month before?

      BF: Yeah.

      HOUSING COMPANY’S STOCK SHOT UP A MONTH BEFORE THE ATTACK

      And then we had a company called Higashi Nippon House. They make cheap housing in northeastern Japan.

      Their stock was shooting up in the month before the attack.

      You’ve got to remember: Japan has an aging and shrinking population.

      It doesn’t make sense for a cheap housing company’s stock price to go shooting up like that—unless there was something in the works.

      POSSIBLE NUCLEAR ATTACK THREATENED TWO DAYS BEFORE

      The other thing is that a group of us recorded a conversation between Kirk Campbell, who is your deputy foreign minister for Asia, and Japanese power broker Ichiro Ozawa—on March 9, 2011.

      In this conversation, Campbell asked Ozawa not to split the ruling party and force the formation of a new government. [This could easily have resulted in a loss of cabal control over Japan.]

      They said [if he agreed to keep the ruling party intact,] they would give him the rights to zeolite [they owned] in Fukushima province. Zeolite is used to clean up radioactive waste.

      This conversation was recorded on March 9th—two days before the tsunami attack.

      NETANYAHU PERSONALLY THREATENED NEW NUCLEAR DISASTERS

      The other point [came in from] a man by the name of Takemasa Kawase, a Japanese military intelligence officer.

      [He] subsequently told me that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu phoned Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan after the attack.

      [Netanyahu] said that they would cause other nuclear disasters around Japan if they did not start handing over the money.

      The chief Mossad agent in Japan, by the way, is a man named Michael Green. He’s a nasty piece of work, and we’re going to remove him from this country soon.

      DW: One question, though.

      BF: Yeah, but I want to…

      DW: OK, go ahead.

      ISRAELI COMPANY WAS IN CHARGE OF SECURITY AT FUKUSHIMA

      BF: In order to confirm! what this guy told me, I waned to check—and there was an Israeli company that was in charge of security at the Japanese nuclear plant.

      DW: Oh my gosh!

      BF: So I was able to independently confirm! that through other sources. This is publicly available information—who was in charge of security at Fukushima. It was an Israeli company.

      Now go on. What was your question?

      IS ISRAEL A MEMBER OF THE CABAL?

      DW: First, then, do you believe that Israel is tied in with this cabal you keep mentioning, in some way?

      BF: Not Israel, but a clique at the top of the Israeli government, yes.

      Most Israelis I consider to be chumps or victims of these people.

      THE CABAL INTENDED TO SACRIFICE THE ISRAELI PEOPLE

      For example the cousin of the Shah of Iran, among others, came to us with information that George Bush and his group had given twelve neutron bombs to the government of Iran.

      [These were] missiles with neutron bombs on them.

      [Elsewhere, Fulford has said these missiles were intended to be used against Israel. The cabal hoped it would trigger World War III, which would assist them in depopulating the planet and securing greater military control over the people.]

      Remember—neutron bombs kill people, but leave buildings intact.

      DW: Well, that’s not only treasonous, it sounds crazy.

      BF: It is!

      IRANIANS TRIED TO GET RID OF THEM—BUT THEY WERE REFUSED

      The Iranians said “We don’t want them.” They put them at the Iraqi border and asked President Obama to please take them off their hands.

      Obama just refused to listen.

      DW: Wow.

      [Elsewhere, Fulford has said that the “Pentagon White Hats” intend to restore constitutional government to the US after overthrowing the cabal, and want to keep the elected president in power as this happens.

      I support this decision, and feel it is the best move to make in order to keep the public calm as this event finally comes to pass.

      I would be cautious in blaming Obama personally for this alleged decision not to remove nukes from Iran without gaining additional information first.

      The president is the intended fall-guy to draw attention away from the cabal conspirators behind the scenes. His true power is limited. Even if he did want to retrieve the weapons, he may not have had any choice.

      It may also have been seen as a trap—far too dangerous to risk the lives of top personnel on what could easily have been a suicide mission.]

      MOST ISRAELIS WOULD BE HORRIFIED IF THEY KNEW THE TRUTH

      BF: Okay? And again, people at the higher level know this is true. In other words, they were going to offer the people of Israel as a kind of ritual sacrifice.

      So the Israelis were victims. A lot of them were fooled with Jewish superiority talk, which is really the same as Aryan superiority talk—only you substitute Jew for Aryan.

      They were chumps.

      Most of the Israelis don’t know what is going on, and they would be appalled to hear it. It’s about a cabal that is above all that.

      DW: And it has no religious affiliation.

      THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH JUDAISM / CHRISTIANITY / ISLAM

      BF: Well, they are associated with the Abrahamistic religions. Let’s put it that way.

      DW: Going back to Babylon, Mesopotamia, all the way back there?

      BF: Well, at least going back to the time of the Caesars.

      RELIGION AND FASCISM

      Let’s remember the word “religion.” The etymology of the word “religion” is religare in Latin, which means to re-bind.

      What do you re-bind it into? A fascio. What is a fascio? It is a bundle of sticks, but it is also fascism.

      MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION COULD BE USED FOR MASS MIND CONTROL

      At its worst, monotheism—as practiced in the Middle Ages, for example—involved singular control over everybody’s thoughts.

      Remember—in the Middle Ages, if you didn’t believe in the official Catholic doctrine, then you and your entire family would be killed—or tortured until you confessed.

      DW: Right. That was the Inquisition.

      BF: Well, yeah!

      THEY’RE MORE SOPHISTICATED NOW—BUT STILL LOSING THE BATTLE

      And it’s much more sophisticated now.

      Five companies control all the major English-[speaking] media—including the TV, the newspapers, the radios, the Hollywood studios.

      It’s much more sophisticated now. They’re trying to get everybody to think the same way—and they’re losing [the battle].

      9/11, the story there, was just so full of holes and contradictions that they were losing a significant part of their brainwashed audience—including myself, because I was a high-level brainwashee.

      DW: Right.

      PENTAGON BLEW UP UNDERGROUND BASES TO FIGHT GENOCIDE

      BF: In any case, what happened was that there was a group within the Pentagon and the agencies and stuff that realized this plan was insane.

      They knew that the plan to kill 90 percent of humanity was wrong.

      They then blew up the underground bases the elites were going to use to hide in when they carried out their nuclear holocaust.

      DW: Okay. I want to get back to that, because that is a really central point.

      There is one question I want to ask you before we get to that, because that’s the conclusion of the discussion.

      WHY DOES THE CABAL NEED TO STEAL MONEY?

      Why did these guys need money? If they have so much infrastructure, so many assets, and massive political power, why can’t they just nakedly exercise power… move men around, move munitions around?

      Why do they need money? Why are they going around like a crackhead looking for a fix?

      Why are they going to all these different countries and trying to scam money off of them? Why can’t they just print dollars and make more money?

      BF: Because people aren’t accepting their dollars worldwide.

      You’ve got to remember there are 800 US military bases around the world.

      If they can’t make the payroll for these guys, they’re going to be marching out of their bases with food bowls in their hands, begging for food.

      DW: Right.

      THE ASIANS CUT OFF THE MONEY SUPPLY TO WALL STREET

      BF: They’re being cut off from their oil, from their other resources. That was their Achilles heel—the control of money.

      Their private army was self-financing. They had their own industries and their own income.

      The US army is dependent on Wall Street financing. That’s why they were dependent on ultimately the Chinese and the Asians, who were financing Wall Street.

      YOU CAN BE THE GOOD GUYS AGAIN

      That’s why I told the Pentagon guys, “You can have a Starship Enterprise future, exploring the Universe and all that kind of stuff. Just work with us.

      “We’re not going to cut you off. You’re not going to end up like the Soviet Union, where you have a general who is now suddenly being forced to drive a taxi in London.

      “You can be the good guys again.”

      A lot of them said, “Hey, I think that’s a good idea. We want to be heroes again. We don’t want to be the bad guys.”

      SUPPRESSED TECHNOLOGY INCLUDING ANTIGRAV AND ‘STARGATES’

      DW: You’re saying that they have suppressed technology that could bring us into the Starship Enterprise reality.

      [Earlier, Fulford had said provocative things on his paid blog, as follows:
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      A third group based in the US military-intelligence establishment proposes a 5-year swords-to-plowshares transformation of the Pentagon.

      This group has the potential to develop the over 6,000 patents that have hitherto been suppressed for “national security” reasons.

      One technology they possess is anti-gravity. This would make automobiles obsolete and allow roadways to be transformed into gardens.

      They claim to control technology that allows the creation of portals into other dimensions.

      They claim (we have not seen proof but have heard this from many credible eye-witnesses) that many so-called underground bases around the world are actually such portals.

      Hopefully we will soon be able to see if this is true. If so the implications are more than mind-boggling.]

      5,135 INVENTIONS HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED

      BF: I don’t know about [the Starship Enterprise being a reality].

      But, we can confirm!, according to the American Academy of Sciences, that more than six thousand patents have been suppressed for so-called “security” or “public safety” reasons.

      [DW: This data point is in my new book “The Source Field Investigations.” The Federation of American Scientists revealed that 5,135 inventions had been classified by the end of FY 2010.

      Among other shocking revelations, we now know that any power system that is more than 70-80 percent efficient at converting energy will automatically be declared classified.]

      Some of these [patents] probably need to be suppressed. We don’t want everyone to have a backyard nuke, for example.

      DW: Sure.

      BF: But a lot of them, I’m hearing, were just kept [classified] because these people were acting like dogs in the manger. They only wanted the elite to have it.

      MANY UFOS ARE FAKE

      So my understanding is that, for example, a lot of the so-called UFOs are just sophisticated earth-based secret aircraft that aren’t available to the public at large.

      DW: I would agree with that. Yeah.

      ALIEN ABDUCTIONS MAY BE FROM “PLFs” OWNED BY THE CABAL

      [In “Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge,” Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project reveals compelling insider testimony that UFO abductions are being carried out by so-called PLFs, or Programmable Life Forms, owned by the cabal.

      There are no reports of “alien abduction” prior to the early 1960s with the infamous Betty and Barney Hill case. This appears to be when the PLF technology was first perfected and put into use.

      ALL ET CONTACTS IN THE 1950S WERE WITH POSITIVE HUMANS

      [Throughout the 1950s, there were extensive reports of people having direct contact with benevolent human-looking ETs who told them of a coming Golden Age.

      These ETs appear to be the same people who appeared in ancient civilizations around the world and were labeled as “gods” or “angels.”

      Many of these 1950s contacts occurred in the US and Canada, and were studied and compiled by Wilbert B. Smith—a Canadian government worker with classified clearance.

      An entirely separate set of positive contacts occurred in Italy, and were the subject of the TV documentary “The Friendship Case”, in which key firsthand witnesses broke their silence and spoke about the events they experienced.

      A great deal of valuable information about both the US/Canada and Italian contacts can be found in “1950s Human ETs Prepare Us for Golden Age” here.

      BIOLOGICAL ROBOTS USED TO FIGHT THE POSITIVE ETs WITH FEAR

      [The development and implementation of PLF technology appears to have been a direct counter-strike by the cabal against the positive contacts of the 1950s.

      Greer’s contacts confirm!ed the PLF technology was acquired from ETs—and involves advanced cloning principles to create a “biological robot”.

      Apparently, a human fetus is grown in an artificial environment, and without the pressure of the womb, it retains fetal proportions and features—including the large eyes, big head and thin body—on into adulthood.

      POSITIVE ETs WOULD NOT INTERFERE UNTIL 2012

      [According to the Project Camelot testimony of “Mr. X”, an employee for a major defense contractor, the positive ETs gave a very important message to the cabal in the early 1950s.

      Several top-secret documents revealed that unless the ETs were specifically invited to show up by a majority of the people, and / or their leaders, they could not appear publicly and openly, on any mass scale, until the end of the year 2012.

      This was due to their cooperation with a natural cycle in the Earth—which is apparently governed by a meta-intelligence that exists at the planetary, solar, galactic and universal level—namely the Source Field.

      The prophecies and workings of this cycle, and its effects on human evolution, are explored in unprecedented new scientific depth in my book The Source Field Investigations (SFI).

      SFI debuted at #18 on the New York Times best-seller list, increased to #16 the second week and is at #18 for the third week.

      Our publisher Penguin, incidentally, is not part of the cabal, nor the top five media companies. Extensive secrecy was kept around the book until its release to insure it would not be interfered with.

      PLFs USED TO TERRIFY PUBLIC AND PREPARE FOR “ALIEN 9/11”

      [Apparently the cabal’s intention behind the “alien abduction” phenomenon was to terrify the public—and help set the stage for a fake “Alien 9/11”.

      This fake alien attack has been extensively telegraphed in a multiplicity of different movies—18 different movies in the recent past alone.

      The major media conglomerates are owned by the cabal and produce these “alien invasion” films for propaganda purposes.

      ETs ARE NOW COOPERATING WITH EFFORTS TO DEFEAT THE CABAL

      [I have sources with additional information that Fulford has only heard about in minor detail.

      Namely, ETs have apparently been cooperating with this international resistance group to defeat the cabal.

      This was totally unexpected, as the cabal was led to believe the ETs had to follow spiritual laws that forbade them from ever intervening—under any circumstances.

      Advanced ET technologies are now being used to strike and disable cabal assets. Many examples have been given in my “China’s October Surprise” article series. Just read everything in David’s Blog on divinecosmos.com beginning from October 2010.

      The joint campaign began last October—and many obvious, public targets were hit, all with zero casualties.

      This included the powering-down of 50 Minuteman ICBMs—and top military witnesses have now publicly reported that a cigar-shaped craft was hovering overhead the entire time.

      THE UNDERGROUND BASES WERE A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT STRIKE

      [However, the destruction of these two major underground facilities is far more massive than other attacks that occurred in November and December 2010, and thereafter.

      These earlier attacks did apparently wipe out a great deal of individual craft and munitions that the cabal could have used to fake an alien invasion, according to the insiders I have spoken to.

      However, it was always done a little here, a little there—never all at once. This gave the cabal a false hope that they still had a chance, even as their infrastructure crumbled.

      It is very likely that the ETs would not have destroyed two entire underground cities on their own. This attack was much, much bigger than anything else had been.

      I believe Fulford is correct in saying that the “good guys” in the Pentagon did this themselves—to stop the genocide from taking place.

      ONCE WE DEFEAT THE CABAL, WE STOP THE ABDUCTIONS

      [Since the cabal is responsible for manufacturing and implementing the PLFs, the “alien threat” appears to be largely generated from within this group.

      Therefore, once we defeat the cabal, we stop the abductions… and the UFO cover-up.]

      LET’S USE WHAT WE HAVE—TO TRANSFORM THE PLANET

      BF: And so, the point is, let’s develop these patents in a safe way, and you can have a boom time such as we haven’t had in a very long time.

      DW: Right. Instead of creating these financial products that are just voodoo, why not actually build infrastructure?

      The existing military-industrial complex, I would argue, is probably the only entity on Earth that has the tools, the factories, the infrastructure and the staff to be able to accomplish this.

      BF: Yeah! Exactly. And that’s why the generals are now on our side.

      The people who are not on our side are mostly bribed politicians in Washington DC, and the Wall Street crowd. So they are being increasingly isolated.

      WHY IN THE WORLD DO THEY WANT TO KILL SO MANY PEOPLE?

      DW: Now what possible reason could they have—these adversaries… Why in the world do they think they want to reduce population?

      The average person’s mind shuts down because they can’t conceptualize that anyone would be that evil. So what’s their rationale, as far as you understood it?

      MASS DEATH IS “GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT”

      BF: The story they tell me is, “Look. We’re destroying the environment. There’s too many people for the planet to support.”

      CULTIVATING THE HUMAN RACE LIKE GARDENERS

      The other thing is these people are elitists. They believe in eugenics.

      They say too many stupid people are breeding too much.

      Useless eaters. All they do is they destroy the environment, and they don’t produce anything. They just sit around and watch TV.

      We don’t need these people. We want to eliminate the weak and the useless, and just keep the elite.

      We want to increase and improve the genetic quality of the human race by purging the garbage from the system.

      And, we get to save the environment and create a whole new natural ecosystem.

      The Georgia Guidestones has their philosophy written out. 500 million people on Earth, in harmony with their environment. This is their goal.

      They put it in eco-terms.

      THE NAZIS WERE ENVIRONMENTALISTS

      People can forget the Nazis were great green people when it came to preserving nature and natural parks, all that kind of stuff. They were really gung ho.

      In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote that he wanted to enslave the non-white peoples and then kill them. It’s right there.

      It’s the same group. They’re the same Nazis. The same philosophy.

      [DW: Fulford didn’t mention that after World War II, top German scientists were brought over to the US via Project Paperclip.

      The rationale was that if the US didn’t get them, they would fall into the hands of the Soviet Union, which was far worse.

      It is a well-established, documented fact that Prescott Bush was one of Hitler’s main bankers and financial liaisons.

      A “Business Plot” was attempted in the 1930s, by Prescott Bush and others, that would have led to the overthrow of American constitutional government and the installing of a fascist system patterned off of Hitler and Mussolini.]

      THEY WANTED A SMALL, ENSLAVED POPULATION TO PAMPER THEM

      The other thing the super-elite were saying was, “Hey, we’re really special. We’re really smart. We are the elite, and we should rule the planet like God-kings…

      “We will need about 500 million slaves or so to keep us pampered, but the rest we don’t need.”

      And it’s also about control. They don’t have the brainwashed control over large parts of the planet.

      They realized they weren’t going to be able to control these people. So they thought “let’s kill them,” rather than lose control of the planet.

      THE CABAL WANTS YOU TO FEEL HOPELESS… AND DOOMED

      DW: Now a lot of people who read about this stuff online, the vast majority in fact—including most of the guests Jeff Rense or Alex Jones would have on—feel there is an incredible sense of futility.

      Everyone seems to go with the knee-jerk reaction that all the governments in the world, all the countries in the world, everybody is in on it.

      BF: That’s where they are being used and turned into controlled opposition. They are trying to numb people to the message.

      “Yeah, it’s happening, but there is nothing you can do about it. It’s inevitable.”

      That’s simply not the case.

      DW: Could you explain why that is not the case?

      THEY ONLY CONTROL THE G5 COUNTRIES… AND A FEW SHILLS

      BF: They only now control the G5 countries.

      DW: Which countries are those?

      BF: Those countries are Italy, France, England, Germany and the United States.

      DW: That’s it? You’re saying ALL the other countries in the world they don’t control anymore?

      BF: If you look at the countries that accepted the new… I think maybe they’ve got a few subject countries like Honduras, Columbia and places like that.

      MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD IS PART OF THE ALLIANCE

      If you look at the African Union, they put out their own currency backed by Khadafy’s gold—and they don’t support this group.

      Or most of the countries in Asia. Russia. China.

      DW: What about European countries like Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania?

      BF: They were at this meeting. There was a meeting in Monaco at the end of August.

      57 COUNTRIES GATHERED TO DISCUSS HOW TO DEFEAT THE CABAL

      57 countries were invited by the Swiss to discuss cutting these people off financially—and creating an international financial boycott against the controllers of the G5.

      DW: Now that’s an incredible statement you’re making. You’re saying 57 different countries, including some of these Eastern European countries…

      BF: There were representatives from the Netherlands and Canada there too, OK?

      DW: Wow. What about South America?

      BF: Yeah, of course. And since then, more than 80 countries have signed on.

      IT’S GOING TO BECOME PUBLIC

      We’re reaching a point where it’s going to become public. It’s going to be on the airwaves. It’s going to be on the news. They can’t hide it much longer.

      DW: Why the hell haven’t they made this public already?

      If people are dying, and these guys are trying to fake an alien invasion—that’s one thing we keep hearing, that they are trying to do an Alien 9/11—why haven’t they gone public already?

      BF: You don’t think they’ve tried?

      VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THE TRUTH PUBLISHED IN THE MAINSTREAM

      Look, I had a book proposal at the Berlin book fair. Eleven publishing companies wanted that book out there, including five major ones.

      They all came back and said they were told by their bosses they couldn’t do it.

      DW: Wow. [In my case, the president of Dutton Books, a Penguin division, contacted me directly. Hardly anyone saw the Source Field book, or its contents, until it was actually published.]

      BF: They’ve had people going and telling everybody I’ve ever associated with professionally that I had become an insane drug user.

      They control the media. You’ve got to remember that. There are five companies. Five corporations—controlled by people like Rupert Murdoch, Redstone and stuff.

      They have a grip over all the TV studios, all the newspapers, the radio stations, Hollywood studios, you name it.

      THIS IS NOT A GLOBAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE

      DW: So if their economies are going to go down, they can then say it’s a global economic collapse.

      BF: And it’s NOT a global economic collapse!

      SEVEN PERCENT WORLD ECONOMIC GROWTH OUTSIDE THE G5

      Again, if you look at the public statistics, you will see that if you exclude the G5 countries, the average growth in the world economy last year was seven percent!

      DW: Holy crap!

      BF: People are booming! It’s not a world crisis—it’s a crisis among the countries controlled by this cabal.

      DW: And it’s only the G5 nations. Wow!

      BF: Yes! I mean, look at the statistics. They’re all there. It’s all in the public record.

      You just have to look at government websites and check this out.

      EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD

      There’s nothing I’m saying—including the plan to kill 90 percent of the world’s population—that is not in the public record. It’s in their own writings!

      We have countless confessions. Wernher Von Braun, the guy behind the Apollo projects, said on his deathbed that they were going to use a fake alien invasion as an excuse for genocide.

      It’s crazy stuff—but it’s provable.

      These people don’t think like normal humans. I guess it was Herbert Hoover—no, J. Edgar Hoover—who said, when a conspiracy is so big, people’s mind boggles and they go into denial.

      In any case, these people are coming down. We’ve got…

      DW: (crosstalk) Right. Now you said something that is very provocative.

      TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS INTERNATIONAL MEETING…

      You said that there is this meeting that happened, with I believe you said 57 different countries, was it?

      BF: Yes.

      DW: And this happened in Monaco?

      BF: Yes. And it was taken on board a ship which went into international waters. According to two witnesses, senator Jay Rockefeller showed up and tried to break into the meeting—and he was physically ejected.

      THE CABAL SENT IN BLACK HELICOPTERS—BUT WERE CHASED OUT

      Two black helicopters appeared above the ship during the meeting, and they were chased away by harrier jets.

      DW: Now these black helicopters were like Apaches with weapons on them?

      BF: I don’t know the details. I just heard that there were two helicopters, and there was a danger that they were going to use some kind of electromagnetic weapon against the ship.

      DW: Oh, like scalar technology kind of stuff. Yeah.

      BF: And I know that they were chased away by two harrier jets.

      DW: Wow!

      BF: US military jets.

      THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED EVERYONE—AND TRIED TO MAINTAIN CONTROL

      DW: If they had succeeded with those helicopters, what do you think might have happened there? Would everybody have just died?

      BF: Well, they would have killed all the representatives. Then they would have said, “Hey, we’re in charge, and if you try to go against us, we’ll kill you.”

      This is what they’ve been doing ever since World War II.



      HOW COULD THEY COVER UP A MASS KILLING OF THIS SCOPE?

      DW: If so many persons of interest died at once, wouldn’t that become a massive international incident that would require investigation anyway?

      BF: They have done this before. The Titanic was sunk deliberately to get rid of six hundred senior financiers who were opposed to the taking over of the Federal Reserve Board.

      DW: Wow.

      BF: They would come up with some story about the Tragedy of Monaco. And the kool-aid drinkers out there would go and believe it!

      I’m sorry, but that’s how it is.

      [DW: Undoubtedly, the helicopters would have planted and detonated explosives on the boat after neutralizing everyone, and then blamed it on terrorists—and used the incident in an attempt to further their political goals.]

      THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES CONFIRM!ED THE MEETING

      DW: Were you at this meeting yourself, Ben?

      BF: No. A close colleague of mine was there. And, I confirm!ed it from two other people who were there, who aren’t related to that colleague of mine.

      DID ANY OLD WORLD ORDER MEMBERS GET TO ATTEND THE MEETING?

      DW: Now what about people from the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, or Council on Foreign Relations?

      BF: They were deliberately excluded.

      DW: Any one of them, no matter who?

      BF: No matter who. If they were a member, they weren’t allowed.

      DW: And that’s also why Jay Rockefeller wasn’t allowed in.

      BF: That’s right.

      BILDER-BUST

      Remember the Bilderberger meeting that took place in June, in St. Moritz, Switzerland this year?

      It was supposed to last until Tuesday. They all had to flee on Sunday night, because they were about to be arrested by the Swiss.

      DW: Whoa! I never heard that before.

      BF: Well, it’s there!

      SWISS PARLIAMENT MEMBER BEATEN—AND CALLS IN THE COPS

      Again, what happened was a Swiss lawmaker tried to get into the site and he was beaten up.

      He went to the Swiss government and said “I’m a Swiss member of parliament, in my own country, and they beat me up and threw me out. That’s illegal.”

      They said “Yes. We’ll go arrest them.” They all had to pack their suitcases and flee on Sunday night—before being arrested on Monday.

      DW: So this would have been like a paramilitary swat team that would have swept in.

      BF: Well yeah—the police authority.

      DW: Right.

      BF: So there you go. The Bilderbergers were chased out, with their tails between their legs.

      DW: Unbelievable!

      BF: That’s there for everybody to see.

      HOW CAN THESE 80 COUNTRIES ACTUALLY DEFEAT THE CABAL?

      DW: So you’re saying that this meeting in Monaco took place on a ship. You have representatives from 57 countries.

      You said 80 countries now have signed on to this treaty.

      Now could we get into some detail about why this is so significant?

      What did they talk about? How are they going to pull off doing something like this, where these entities—these five corporations—control the world’s media?

      Let’s go into that a little bit.

      ONCE THEY CAN’T PAY THE GOONS, THEY’RE FINISHED

      BF: They don’t control the world’s money, you see.

      Once they lose the control of the goons, the people with the guns, then that’s it.

      PENTAGON PATRIOTS WILL OVERTAKE CABAL MEDIA OUTLETS

      At a certain point, I believe the Pentagon will probably send people in to the TV headquarters in the US.

      You’re going to see new faces and a totally different story coming out on your TV sets soon.

      DW: That’s also a very heavy statement.

      ISN’T THE PENTAGON PART OF THE PROBLEM?

      What is the context of the Pentagon in light of this meeting of 57 different countries?

      Wouldn’t everybody in the Pentagon be part of the Bilderberg / Trilateral Commission thing?

      BF: No. The Pentagon was represented there. The Bilderberg / Trilateral Commission was not.

      THE MAJORITY OF THE PENTAGON SUPPORTS THE ALLIANCE

      DW: What percentage of the Pentagon is on the side of this alliance?

      BF: I’ve heard that the only generals who are not on board are [guys] like Petraeus.

      From what I’ve heard, most of the Joint Chiefs are now with this group.

      DW: What about lower levels of the hierarchy? Like the soldiers.

      BF: The lower levels are completely pissed off. They support Ron Paul—and they know that there’s something totally wrong.

      [DW: My own insiders have told me there is a massive struggle going on within the military between those who would arrest, detain and kill American citizens and those who would not.

      The majority are rejecting the plans, roughly 80-90 percent, from what I heard. You can't win a battle against those odds.]

      THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE READY FOR REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE

      The opinion polls in the US show that 87 percent of Americans don’t trust Washington. That should tell you the mental state in America now.

      And they are saying, “We don’t want these scumbags in charge anymore.” They’re angry, but they’re not sure who they should be angry at.

      That’s, I think, how the majority of Americans think.

      They know there is something wrong. They know it has something to do with Wall Street and Washington.

      They don’t know the details, but they wish somebody would come in and do something about it.

      And that is what is going to happen.

      These people are going to go to jail.

      THE “NEOCONS” ARE THE LEADERS OF THE CABAL

      And I can tell you who the leaders are.

      People like Henry Kissinger, George Bush Senior, George Bush Junior, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Tony Blair. We know who they are.

      DW: So these are Neocons and their allies.

      BF: Neocons is the label that you use for them.

      That’s the group that had this crazy plan that somehow they could take over the world’s oil and still control the world through the 21st century.

      We know who they are. When you take away that curtain, it’s like the Wizard of Oz. You pull away the curtain and you see a little old man sitting at the control desk.

      (crosstalk) And that’s what happened when I went…

      MANY MEDIA NETWORKS DON’T APPEAR TO BE NEOCON OUTLETS


      DW: (crosstalk) Okay. I think most people would admit that Fox News and News Corporation could be a shill for these guys.

      But to say… you’re basically saying that all the media in America, for the most part, is controlled by these folks?

      Why would the media not all sound like Fox, then?

      NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT 9/11 TRUTH

      BF: How many major networks and Hollywood studios have come out with 9/11 truth? Okay?

      DW: Good point.

      BF: Just ask yourself that. And then you can understand.

      DW: So you would say…

      BF: (crosstalk) Look, I have to go, but what I’m telling you is this.

      WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO SPENT THE MONEY

      We’ve found this thing called the Global Collateral Accounts. It’s a codebook that shows who’s been using the world’s money since the end of World War II—and for what reason.

      It has a list of names. For example, who financed the Vietnam War and why. All that kind of stuff.

      We have these records now.

      MASSIVE NUMBERS OF NEW WHISTLEBLOWERS COMING FORWARD

      We’re having people abandoning that cabal like rats jumping off a sinking ship.

      We have a world Who’s Who coming to us with information.

      THIS COULD BE THE BIGGEST EVENT IN 2000 YEARS

      When this happens, this is going to be, I think, ultimately the biggest thing—certainly since World War II. Possibly the biggest thing in two thousand years.

      We’re going to see something… an ancient cabal that has controlled humanity through murder, propaganda and bribery for possibly thousands of years.

      It is going to come to an end. It’s going to be something that has not happened in the history of our planet before.

      It’s going to be incredible… basically we’re talking about the end of Babylonian-style tyranny.

      DW: Wow.

      BF: That’s how far it goes back.

      VATICAN AND P2 LODGE CLAIM SECRET CONTROL SINCE JULIUS CAESAR

      Certainly the P2 Freemasonic lodge and the Vatican claim that they have controlled things in secret since the time of Julius Caesar.

      DW: Wow. [Another way of saying this is the Roman Empire never really ended—it just became more covert and secretive in its exercising of power.]

      BF: I went to Italy. I met them and they tried to poison me. They didn’t think I would come alive out of Italy with the information they gave me—but I did.

      [DW: At the time, Fulford did say these people told him about the 25,920-year precession of the equinoxes cycle. They inherited prophecies that a Golden Age would result from this cycle, and its effects, beginning after the year 2012.

      They are very off-base about how the prophecy would be fulfilled, as I discuss in my new book—but they have always been keenly aware of this as their timetable, which is why there is such urgency.

      Fulford didn’t cover it here, but both the Rockefeller and the Rothschild factions are being forced to step down and relinquish control by this 80-country alliance. That's why no Bilderberg / CFR / Trilateral members were allowed in.

      Some insiders have revealed they are already working out the terms of surrender at a very high level, and the process is quite unbearable for them -- with lots of arguing and bruised egos.]

      DW: Okay. A couple quick questions just to tie this off.

      WHO NUKED THE BASES? WAS THIS PART OF THE MONACO ACCORDS?

      Who did the underground bases, in your estimation? Who nuked them and why? Does it have any relationship with this meeting in Monaco?

      BF: Yes. It was Pentagon white hats saying to the elite, “You’re not going to destroy the surface of the planet and escape yourselves…

      “If you’re going to destroy the surface of the planet, you’re going to destroy your families too. You’re not going to escape.”

      They made it very clear to them that they are not going to be able to initiate some kind of nuclear holocaust and be able to get away with it.

      DW: Right. [There is extensive evidence that the ETs will not allow them to nuke innocent civilians anyway—but they certainly keep trying.

      Events like Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima are much less serious than the scope of what could be done in an all-out nuclear attack.

      Given the extent to which ETs have powered down any and all Old World Order nuclear assets, it is amazing that the cabal continued to be in denial and believe they would ever be allowed to use them on any significant level.]

      NOW THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO HIDE

      These guys must have always thought somehow that these bases were safe. And now none of them are safe.

      BF: Yes. They had their greenhouses, and their food supplies, and their big-screen TVs, and their supply of women.

      It’s like Dr. Strangelove. “We’ll hide in our tunnels with our young ladies while everybody else up on the surface dies.”

      DW: Right.

      BF: “Then we’ll come out and we’ll take over the planet—and breed like rabbits.”

      Well, that ain’t gonna happen. OK?

      THEY NOW HAVE DETAILED MAPS AND FILMS OF ALL THE BASES

      DW: You had said on your blog that some of your people who were there in Monaco have detailed maps of these underground bases.

      They know exactly where they are. And footage of the bases was shown?

      BF: That’s right. [The Pentagon gave this evidence to] the world governments to show, “Yes, it’s true. These crazy people were planning to kill 90 percent of humanity.”

      The world’s governments know this.

      HOW MIGHT THIS EVENT HAPPEN—AND WHEN?

      DW: Okay, so how can we expect that this event will take place? What might happen and when might it happen?

      What are we looking at? What are we going into here? What will be the precursors of this?

      BF: There are several possibilities.

      The one I’m hearing the most, the one that the Pentagon backs, is a lawsuit that would lead to the arrest of the top cabalists.

      WILCOCK’S OWN TESTIMONY OF WHAT IS EXPECTED

      [DW: My own insiders expect that the dollar is about to collapse, thanks to this coordinated international effort—followed by the official declaration of bankruptcy by the US government. That will be the immediate precursor event.

      I have been told the insiders are considering seven different ways in which this collapse could happen. All of them are thought to be potentially very imminent, even before the end of the year.

      No one is certain of the exact timing, though, and the “windows” are always changing based on unpredictable events.

      The recent announcement of the bankruptcy of the US Postal Service brings us very close to this point already—as one example.

      THEY’RE PRAYING FOR CHAOS

      Once this dollar collapse / government bankruptcy is officially acknowledged and recognized by the public at large, the cabal expects riots and social upheaval.

      Again, I believe they fantasize far too much about the scope and the severity of what will occur. It’s undoubtedly a coping mechanism.

      The cabal members desperately hope the people will turn against each other, as it is their last hope to maintain any control over the situation.

      The fear-porn scenarios I have heard seem utterly fanciful—particularly since the majority of the military will turn on those who try to harm the public in any way.

      Some of the technology that will be used to turn against the conspirators is highly classified and highly effective. Most people will probably never know it was used.

      These “fracking” events will be “friendly fire” indeed. And Americans are not going to hand over their guns and gold.

      THEY HAVE PLANTED EXPLOSIVES UNDER MANY CRITICAL BRIDGES

      I did hear that cabal insiders have already planted demolition charges to blow up a large number of critical bridges and runways—isolating various geographical regions and causing food shortages for a period of time.

      This massive strike, of course, will be blamed on “terrorists” hitting America at its weakest moment.

      This is one of the strongest real threats we face once this epic announcement is finally made. Exposing these plans spoils any element of surprise.

      So many insiders are defecting that many, if not most of these explosives will hopefully be located and neutralized in advance—if they haven’t already been.

      However, it may be unrealistic to assume that all of them will be neutralized, since they can all be detonated by remote control at the push of a button.

      CRITICAL SUPPLIES WILL STILL BE DISTRIBUTED

      They did hope this attack would lead to mass starvation, anarchy and chaos.

      However, even with impaired land transit and airport runways, critical supplies will still get where they are needed by the focused efforts of the just—including the military.

      The nationwide Eisenhower interstate system was built to be used as emergency aircraft runways, for example—and it is far too huge to be able to destroy.

      Helicopters do not require airstrips either.

      MASS ARRESTS

      The official bankruptcy announcement, and the potential shock of widespread bridge and runway detonations, will be immediately followed by mass arrests.

      This will include key staff from all three branches of government: senators, congressmen, judges and executives.

      It will also include top military brass, top intelligence personnel, defense contractors, top media moguls, corporate executives, Federal Reserve Board staff, top financiers and “too big to fail” financial entities, et cetera.

      Fulford has said that the Pentagon may now house these people, at least temporarily, in the very same“detention camps” they had originally planned on using against American citizens.

      Karma’s a bitch.

      TRYING TO FIND A HIDING PLACE

      Everyone on this list is scrambling for a place to hide. The bases near Washington DC and Denver were both quite popular due to their convenient locations.

      Most of the top people had comfy, personalized living spaces already set up in these locations—with their own memorabilia, keepsakes and nostalgic items.

      Many of these people have also moved their personal belongings to purported safety zones in South America—and only have a minimum number of items left in their own homes in the US.

      ESCAPE FLIGHTS

      I am told the cabal members have near-instant escape flights planned. The pilots and aircraft are now on 24-hour notice.

      Most of these pilots will probably defect.

      I also have very good intel that the personnel staffing these safety zones have already agreed to turn on them as soon as they arrive.

      Pilots who do not defect are undoubtedly in mortal peril if they attempt to complete these flights.

      Fulford also said the South American countries themselves have now agreed to infiltrate and disrupt these zones—and their incoming flights.

      A MILLION DISPOSSESSED SOULS

      Fulford has talked at length about how the number of insiders who are fearing for their lives is about a million people.

      They have been scrambling around the world trying to beg, borrow or steal any land where they could have sanctuary.

      They have used earthquake and weather weapons to punish countries who denied them access. This includes the Christchurch quake in New Zealand after the cabal was denied use of their lush, southernmost mega-island.

      North Korea is the first country that is even considering helping them, and this development has only occurred very recently.

      Kim Jong-Il will only help them if they promise to help him regain control of South Korea. This entire plan is very unlikely to succeed.

      And now, back to the recorded interview.]

      THEY MAY SETTLE FOR A TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE

      BF: But right now, they’re also trying to cut a deal.

      [The international alliance is] saying, “Hey, look. If you guys will stop the nuclear terror, then maybe we’ll forgive you.”

      It’s one of those situations where so many people are involved that it is better to have a truth and reconciliation committee rather than a bunch of arrests and beheadings, you know?

      DW: So you’re saying that these underground nuclear strikes against the bases…

      BF: (crosstalk) What I’m saying is that there either will be thousands of arrests of prominent people, starting with people like Henry Kissinger…

      Or else, they will cut a deal—and appear before a truth and reconciliation committee in exchange for one time of forgiveness.

      WHEN MIGHT THIS ALL COME TO A HEAD?

      DW: Do we have a time window on when this all might come to a head?

      BF: Well, it’s a war. Who knows what crazy stuff they will do next?

      It could be as early as this fall. It could be as late as next summer. I don’t have a precise date.

      DW: Okay.

      BF: But I’m hearing we’re pretty close now.

      [DW: My own sources have said that due to the massive escalation of threat with the destruction of the two underground cities, this event could come to a head before the end of the year.

      Also, highly classified documents dating back to 2008 had given a time window of December 2011 for a planned evacuation of the White House due to an “alien invasion”.

      So, in order to throw off these planned timetables, action is now happening very quickly.]

      DID THE CABAL RETALIATE AGAINST THE RUSSIANS?

      DW: Do you think the failure of the Russian airplane that had their entire hockey team onboard was in any way related to this war?

      BF: It’s possible. But generally, they would rather get a bunch of generals than hockey players.

      There was a crash off the coast of Brazil that was involved in this, I know. But I don’t know about the hockey players.

      [DW: This is not what the insiders told me. I heard there is wide speculation that the Russian plane crash was a retaliatory attack.

      Specifically, I was told that the average American sports fan is only about one percent as enthusiastic as the average Russian is about their hockey team.

      Therefore, this plane crash was a groin kick to the Russian people, giving them a withering emotional and psychological attack.]

      WHAT HAPPENS ONCE THE CABAL IS ACTUALLY DEFEATED?

      DW: OK. So just in summary, then, could you paint a picture for us?

      Let’s assume that this happened. Let’s assume that these 80 countries get what they want.

      Just pain the picture of what happens. Where do we go as a planet, and how long is it going to take us to get there?

      BF: It’s just common sense. We have the technical ability to end poverty and stop environmental destruction within a year.

      We just don’t have the institutions or the will to do it.

      So instead of a fake War on Terror, aimed at financing the defense companies forever, in a useless manner, you have some sort of huge campaign, globally: the equivalent of World War III, but a peaceful one.

      And then, start telling people the truth about their history—which they’ve been lied to about so much.

      IT’S GOING TO BE LIKE THE FALL OF JAPAN OR THE USSR—BUT MUCH BETTER

      [We will] start building new institutions that are fair, transparent and meritocratic.

      Anybody can climb the pyramid and get to the top if they are good enough and determined enough—instead of an inbred family group controlling it.

      The people of Japan went through it at the end of World War II. Suddenly they were told their emperor was not a god, and that the war wasn’t actually ending in victory. Soon everything was about to change.

      It’s going to be like that.

      Ask anyone who went through the end of the Soviet Union what it was like, and you get a pretty good idea about what is coming.

      But, unlike the end of the Soviet Union, it is not going to be followed by hardship or poverty. It’s going to be followed by an era of unprecedented prosperity and happiness.

      OK? I’ve gotta go.

      DW: Great. Thank you so much.

      BF: Bye!

      READ MORE

      www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2011/09/two-underground-nwo-bases-destroyed/

      divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3



      Source & more: Divine Cosmos | Benjamin Fulford | Also: Denver Airport’s Secret Underground Base
      The Elite’s Plan for Global Extermination | The AI Machine’s Nuclear War on Humanity








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      jlpiao4540
      2011/09/18 21:49 답글

      진실은 항상 어께너머에서 온다고합니다...아직도 미국은 지하도시가 또있습니다 물론 미국정보국이 관리하지만...그런데 지하도시에 칩거하는 규정이 대단히 까다롭다고합니다.칩거할수있는 조건에서 국가 요직 가정.그리고 일루미타나 위원회가족.그리고 과학자 중에서 핵심만. 일반인들은 현재 돈을 1000만딸라이상 정보국에 기부한자..여기에서 나사과학위원회가 빠졌다고 하는데 그것은 쑈인것 같고..일반인이 이지하도시를 알았을 경우 무조건 사살이라고 합니다..... 현재 알래스카와 노르웨이.북부지대 그리고 캐나다 쪽으로 또 있다는 정보도 흘러나옵니다..하여간에 미국놈들은 쓰레기입니다 고급한 정보에 의하면 한국에 주는 글러벌호크문제 때문에 말이 좀 많은것으로 알고있습니다 중국이나 러시아는 대놓고 한국에 전략폭격기를 주면 전쟁으로 간주하고 선제공격 소리도 나옵니다..이게 무슨 소리냐하면...글러벌호크에서 유에프형 무인정찰기면 용서를 하고 전략폭격기면 선제공격을 하겠다인데 그러면 자칫잘못하면 서울이 불바다가 되기십상입니다..왜서냐 대구군항공기지 보다 오산공군기지가 더 유력하기 때문입니다 여기에서 선제공격소리는 사실에있어서 무서운 공격입니다 중국도
      jlpiao4540
      2011/09/18 21:37 답글

      마찬가지로 러시아도 마찬가지입니다 이 두나라가 동시적으로 공격을하면 중국의 중거리 잰더 전략탄두와 러시아의 첨단형 소형탄두로 공격을 한다입니다... 오산하면 당연히 수도권입니다.왜서냐..중국이나 러시아의 경우 한국이 핵전략탄두에 전략폭격기를 가지면 부득히 3차핵대전은 터진다인데 여기에서 강대국들은 핵대전에서 타산은 먼저 선제공권을 가지자입니다 한국에 대한 선제공격이면 북미대전은 스스로 진행이 되는데 그러면 중국이나 러시아는 선제공격만 하고 피해는 없다에서 선택권입니다 ...공화국의 침묵을 이대목에서 잘 이해하여야 하는데 침묵은 전쟁보다 무섭다...이게 침묵의 진실입니다..김계관부상의 미국방문에서 말한것처럼 전쟁이냐 평화이냐에서 미국의 선택권을 시간한정에서 결론으로 끝이 났던것입니다 단 일주일입니다...그러면 공화국은 침묵할수밖에 다른 도리가 없는데 미국은 이제 나머지에서 운명을 걸어야합니다 즉 알래스카와 캐나다 노루웨이에서 말입니다...중국이 알정도면 미국의 지하요새는 더는 비밀이아니다.이게 미국이 처한 현실입니다..
      jlpiao4540
      2011/09/18 21:44 답글

      현정세는 일촉측발. 이단어가 적중한시기입니다 이판사판이라는 단어가 역사무대에 등장하느냐아니면 순리를 따라 패자는 얌전히 자기행실을 반성하고 제자리로 가느냐... 개기면 또 한차례의 대당대수를 버는것입니다..이제 한국으로 보이지않는 손이 다가오고있습니다 ..준비를 잘해야 합니다 멍청하면 미국처럼 당하는것입니다 한국에는 기독교하느님을 믿으니 하느님이 보살펴주지않을까?.....웃깁니다 처맞으면 하느님이 벌을 내려서 그런다고 할것이고 슬때리면 하느님의 축복이라 하겠지?....웃기는 화상들일것입니다...
      • 단군   2011-09-21 23:48:31   ตอบกลับ   

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        오, 그런 일이 있었습니까?...

        일단 제가 그 방향으로 공부를 조금 해야 겠다는 생각을 합니다...

        그러나, 만의 하나 이것이 실제ㅔ 있었던 일이라면 대박 입니다...

        이미 지하 에서는 악의축과 북조선 측에서 치열한 전투를 벌이고 잇다고 하는 정황이지 싶습니다...

        감사합니다...

    • Anh   2011-09-22 06:24:19   ตอบกลับ   

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      Benjamin Fulford is a pro-Japanese guy who never lose a chance to slander NK.

      He thinks Nakasone and Koizumi have connections to NK, and believes NK is deep into international conspiracy, providing refuge to the worst of Japanese right-wingers when they are driven out from Japan. In other words, he thinks China and Japan are the 'axis of good' and NK is part of the 'axis of evil'.

      Plus a lot of the stuff he has said proved to be untrue. His writings are interesting, but not to be taken at face value.

      There are a lot of things which are beyond credibility when things about NK are concerned. For example, NK made a big deal about a member of Japanese nobility, whose name was not revealed, visiting NK and praising KJI.

      At least rumors of Japanese politicians getting NK money are proven to be false, since the Japanese politicians let the biggest NK bank in Tokyo collapse and are still persecuting NK schools in Japan. (It's amazing that after 4 generations people going to NK schools still speak Korean; most of Korean-Japanese who didn't go to NK schools had assimilated and are virtually indistinguishable from other Japanese).

      KJU is rumored to be the son of a Korean-Japanese, although it was never confirmed by official NK reports. What I can say is that there are lots more about NK-Japan relationship than it meets the eye.

    • 숲길   2011-09-22 08:13:16   ตอบกลับ   

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      생명공학을 직업으로 삼고 있지는 않고요. 항시 관심있게 지켜보고 있으며
      개인적으로 공부하고 있는 수준으로 보시면 됩니다.

      동양의학과 철학 그리고 근래에는 농업 식품 이쪽으로 관심을 가져 교양수준
      보다는 좀 더 깊게 공부 해 왔다고 보시면 됩니다. 생명공학 쪽은 발생유전학
      분야를 관심있게 봅니다만 이쪽에 먹고사는 문제가 있지 않으니 잘 집중과 진도가 나아가지를 않는군요.

      제가 알기로는 지금 분자생물학 분야가 외형상 아주 화려하게 보일지라도 근대를 막 벗어났다고 보면 된다고 하는 전문가들이 있습니다.

      서양생리학과 의학이 최근에 비로소 부분과 한쪽의 편협적인 생각에서 벗어나 인체 오장육부 전체에서 일어나는 상호작용의 역동성을 고려한 시스템생리학과 시스템생물학적 인식을 막 열고 있는 단계라 보여집니다.

      그런데 어떤 생식세포의 줄기세포의 효능적 측면을 많은 사람들이 열광하고 있지만 아마 좋은 점과 부정적인 면을 동시에 봐야 되리라 봅니다.

      하지만 제일 중요한 것은 현재 두가락 나선구조의 dna 조직이 지구환경의 조건 즉 지구극성과 일월의 운행구조에 따라 큰 변화가 일어날것이라는 예측이 있습니다.

      아마 지금 변화하려고 하고 있겠지요. 서양에서도 천문생리학이라고 인체 세포의 구조는 천문의 조건에 따라 구조지워진다고 하는 학자들도 있을 정도 입니다.

      저도 머지않아 인체란 우주이기 때문에 본래 생리학이 우주학이라 가장 어렵고 암흑기라 할 만큼 현대의학이 아는 것이 그리 많지않다고 보는 것이 맞을 겁니다.

      특히 세포안에서 일어나는 유전체의 정보교환이 주역의 64괘와 60갑자 오운육기를 그대로 따른다고 하는 연구에서 알수 있듯이 밝혀내야 할 부분들이 무수히 많다고 봐야 할것입니다. 가장 중요한 것은 인체의 모든 부분과 세포안의 세계는 엄청남 역동성 속에서 살아 움직이고 변화하면서 진화를 해 왔다는 점입니다.

      생리 세포들 세계 역시 지향성을 가지고 한 목표점을 향해 끊임없는 자기발전과 성장을 해 왔고 그 결과 진화의 목표점을 향해 다가서고 있지 않는가 여겨집니다.

      저 역시 개인적으로 인간의 유전자 dna가 현재 두가닥의 이중나선에서 12가닥으로 구조자체가 바뀌게 될 것이라는 고래로 전해져 온 말에 공감하고 있는 편입니다. 즉 인류의 種이 바뀌게 된다는 말이 겠지요.

      현재 인간의 많은 부분 세포로 보면 음양의 두가닥 구조안에 잠겨 발현되지 못하고 있는 부분들이 열려나오리라 봅니다.

      호메오유전자가 아주 중요한 부분인데 이쪽도 서서히 연구되어 조금씩 성과가 나오고 있더군요. 그런데 씨에 속하는 dna가 동양철학에서 말하는 백(魄)에 속하지 않습니까.

      이 魄은 쉽게말하면 머리에 있는 神이 응축되어 아주 작게 물질화되어 나오는 가장 밑단계가 되겠지요. 그래서 정보가 담기고 이 魄에 자기조상의 모든 자취의 기억과 나아가서는 지구진화의 모든 과정이 들어 있겠지요.

      혼백이라는 용어가 일월의 운행을 다루는 역법에서 나오듯이 인간의 혼백정신의 4대 요충으로 오장육부 운동은 근원이 일월의 운행조건에 매여있고 그대로 투영되어 나타난다고 보면 될 것입니다. ...
      아무튼 인체생리와 생명에 대한 인식이 조금 더 발전해 나가면 철학과 과학이 일치를 이루어 새로운 큰 전환과 신기원을 이루게 될 것으로 믿고 있습니다.

      저는 그냥 이런 것들에 관심있어 해온 의철학연구가 입장에서 여러가지 분야의 기초들을 틈틈히 공부하고 있는 그런 사람으로 이해 하시면 될 겁니다.
      이다음 바뀌게 될 여러가지 자연의 구조와 인체생리의 구조에 아주 관심을 많이 가지고 주시하고 또 조금씩 개인적으로 연구하는 사람으로 인식하시기기 바랍니다.

      그리고 이런 모든 것들이 저절로 그냥 굴러가는 것이 아니라 인간의 역사 특히 세계사에 있어서 대조선이 지구중심으로 자리잡으면서 지구정치와 인류의 미래 그리고 신문명을 여는 것과 밀접하게 맞물려 돌아가는 것이라고 보고 있기 때문에 현시국과 정치사의 역동성을 예의주시하고 있습니다.

      대조선이 지구정치의 중심에 서고 중심국이 되는 것은 지구정치의 오랜 노정속에 지향성에 있어 곧 귀결점인 동시에 새로운 문명 즉 인류의 그간 지구중심적인 역사에서 우주정치이자 우주문명으로의 출발 기점으로 보고 있습니다.

      아마 앞으로 머지않아 인류가 지상에 발을 디딘 이후 새로운 차원의 문명을 여는 것을 대조선이 하고 대조선이 세계정치를 정립할 때 시작의 문이 열리게 되겠지요. 그것이 우주를 향한 인간 주체성의 선포요 주체정치와 주체문명의 시작을 알리는 포효라 인식하고 있습니다. ....줄임

      두서없이 쓴 것 같네요 감사합니다. 단군박공님!

    • 숲길   2011-09-22 09:10:42   ตอบกลับ   

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      한가지 더 첨가해서 말하고 싶네요.
      현대 서양의학의 거의 모든 체계가 제국주의 의학 자본주의적 제약회사 주도 아래 그들에게 유리하고 그들의 체제에 예속되게 하는 면만 부각되고 그런 방향으로 학문도 유도되어 와서 학문자체가 불균형적이고 우스꽝스러운 면이 많이 있습니다.

      어떤 측면에서는 인간 질병의 치료가 전래되어 내려져오는 민간방의 한두가지 약초를 먹는 것 보다 못한점이 허다하다는 겁니다. 물론 민간방의 오남용도 잘못할 때는 많은 부작용이 있지만, 암과 백혈병 등의 서양의학의 치료법의 부작용과 심각한 폐해는 이제 눈을 가릴수가 없을정도 일겁니다.

      아마 동양의 의학에 있어 북조선의 봉한학설의 경락의 발견 못지 않게 인체 생리에 있어 새로운 인식의 가능성을 보여준것이 자연의학의 기초를 낸 생리학교수인 일본의 모리시타 게이이치 일 겁니다.

      이분 연구성과는 피가 소장에서 만들어져 혈관을 타고 돌아다니면서 제 발길 닿는대로 가면서 그곳에서 그곳의 세포로 바뀐다는 충격적인 연구성과의 내용입니다.

      아직 세포분열도 제대로 정확히 못밝히고 있는 현실에서 세포는 분열해 증식하는 것이 아니라 음식이 소장에서 혈구가 되고 이 혈구 즉 적혈구가 혈관을 타고 순환하면서 그 장소 그 조직의 세포로 성장하여 둔갑한다는 둔갑이론이지만 서양학설은 이런 전환을 전혀 인식 못하고 혈구는 영원한 혈구요 세포는 영원한 세포의 한 부분들로 나누어 장벽을 만들어 놓았다는 것이지요.

      그런 인체는 헤아릴수 없는 많은 부분들이 상호전환하면서 끊임없이 둔갑이 이루어지는 경이로운 연속선상의 상호변환 시스템이라는 것을 동양에서는 역사적으로 누누히 강조해 왔는데 서양은 단순하지요.

      그리고 고집만 세고 정신이 일천하고 운좋게 물질 시운이 발전할 때 물질의 과학기술을 잘 발전시킨 2-300년의 기술로 전세계를 침략하고 살육하고 온갖 만행을 저질러온 야만문명이 낳은 도살 해부학에 기초해 그쪽 방면에서 계속 발전해 온것이 현대서양의학 입니다. 그러니 뭐든지 째고 수술하려는 사고를 가지고 있지요.

      인간의 몸은 조화가 이루어지는 기묘한 것이고 모든 의법은 이런 자연의 오묘한 조화가 일어나는 것을 잘도와주는 보조자라는 것을 인식해야 합니다.

      내과적 병이란것은 이런 자체우주의 생리가 조화를 잃어 투쟁하고 싸우는 결과 초래되는 것이므로 이런 부조화에 빠진 오장육부를 조화롭게 하는데 도와주는 것이 의사의 본분이 될 겁니다.

      이런 인체 자연의 법칙과 그 작용을 잘 알아 中和를 이루도록 해 주는 것이 최고의 기술인데 자본주의 의학은 인간을 그자체 존엄한 생명체로 대하는 것이 아니라 육체를 단순히 물질의 나열과 집합으로만 인식하니
      육체안에 있는 신령스러운 작용과 그 영혼이 어찌 보이겠습니까?

      그래서 그간 지구상 정치의 잘못으로 인류정신이 병들어 온 측면도 있다 할 것입니다. 인간정신의 병든 부분들을 광범위하게 치료하려면 먼저 올바른 체제와 인간에 대한 바른 인식과 생명에 대한 올바른 교육에 있다 할 것입니다.
      그런데 이것을 할수 있는 힘을 가진 것은 오로지 바른 정치 밖에 없습니다.

      종교란 정치의 종속변수에 불과하고 정치가 바로서서 종교를 분수에 맞게 놔두어 이용하려고 하지 않아야 종교도 거품을 걷어 내고 제정신을 차리게 된다고 보고 있습니다.

      아무튼 여러가지 분야의 성과조차도 돈에 앞세운 자본주의적 사고가 우선시 될 때는 많은 진실된 측면이 개인이거나 집단이거나 거기에 기초한 이익의 방향으로 왜곡되고 그 이익쪽으로 부풀려지고 기형적 발전이 이루어지는 측면이 많은 것 같습니다. ...

      자본주의 즉 제국주의적 체제가 전세계적으로 오래 못 갈것 같습니다. 빙하가 녹듯이 무너지고 있으니 조만간 다 무너지겠지요. 진정한 인간의 향기가 풍기는 주체성을 향한 발걸음이 전세계인들에게서 일어나리라 봅니다.

      그것이 자기의 근본이요 생명과 삶의 근본이 될 것이기 때문에 그리 할 겁니다.
      자기들이 미쳐 있는 그런 종교의 지향점이 주체성의 철학과 주체성의 정치에 있다는 것을 알게 되는 날 비로소 종교의 속박에서 해방되리라 여깁니다.

      감사합니다.

      ..........................

      한가지만 덧붙여 말씀드리면 우리가 전염병의 인식에 있어 시야를 넓히지 않으면 쓸데없는 호들갑을 국가적으로 떨게 되어 있습니다.
      세균 바이러스 미생물은 외부적 요소가 아니라 생명체 세포가 자기조직하고 진화를 해 오는데 있어 세포의 구성요소라는 것입니다.

      인체의 세포가 이런 세균과 바이러스를 기초로 해 성립되어 있다는 것을 알아야 됩니다. 이것이 현대 생물학에서도 밝혀지고 있습니다.

      세포를 이루고 지지하고 성립시키는 요소라는 것인데 인체가 건강하여 세포의 생성 소멸의 균형이 잘 이루어 지고 붕괴된 것들이 잘 배설되고 하면 좋은데 그렇지 못하여 건강이 나쁘거나 몸이 약하면 세포도 쇠약해 지기 때문에 세포자체의 구성이 흔들려 무너지게 됩니다.

      이렇게 지나치게 무너지게 되면 세포를 구성하는 세균 바이러스가 몸 안에서 기준이상으로 많아지게 되고 이것이 인체의 약한 틈을 타 급속 증식을 하게 되면서 병이 심하게 발병하게 되는 것입니다.

      우리 인간은 건강할 때 외부에 엄청난 양의 세균가 바이러스 속에 노출된 채로 살아가고 있습니다만 저항성 즉 면역기능이 강할 때는 잘 질병에 노출되지 않는다는 것은 다른 것이 아니라 자기 인체 내부의 조직세포들이 건강해 문제가 되지 않는다는 것일 겁니다.

      그렇다면 전염병이란 것은 외부에 부적절한 바이러스가 횡행한다는 외부적 조건에 불과하다는 것입니다. 이런 나쁜 기운이 너무 많으면 누구든지 다 감염이 되지만 이것은 1차적인 조건이고, 이 1차적 조건이 발병으로 발전하려면 내부적 조건이 호응을 해야 된다는 것이겠지요. 내부적 조건을 무너뜨릴만한 평소의 건강상태나 만성병 등 등 이런것들이 합세할 때 더 쉽게 전염병에 걸리게 된다는 것입니다.

      그러므로 평소에 인체세포를 건강하게 만드는 것이 제일 중요한 것이고 무조건 외부적 바이러스의 유행이 어떤 유행의 전염병을 만드는 것이 아니라는 것이지요. 조류들의 바이러스도 너무 약해진 것들의 세포를 구성하는 세균 바이러스의 파괴로 인한 변이로 봐야 될 것입니다.

      이런 것들이 매년 새로운 유형의 바이러스 출현이라는 소식으로 다가 올 것이지만 가장 중요한 것은 인체생리에 대한 또는 생명체 구성 세포들의 인식에 대한 새로운 발전된 시각만이 앞으로 인류를 덜 피곤하게 만들 것입니다.

      그렇지 않으면 약도 아닌 약 가지고 집단적 광기가 횡행하는 세상이 될 것입니다.
      인간은 자기가 배우고 아는 것 만큼 그 시각으로 사물을 인식할수 밖에 없으니까요...

      세균 바이러스가 내 세포를 구성하고 나의 일부이고 내 몸 우주의 식구입니다.
      내 몸안의 건강지표가 장내 미생물의 균형으로 나타나듯이 장(腸)이란 또 거대한 발효공장이고 인체생리의 총합이 발현되는 곳입니다.

      거기에 미생물 세균이 중요한 일원으로 활동하고 있습니다. 그래서 세균 바이러스 미생물이 자기에게는 없는 외부적요소나 부정적 인식에서 박멸을 대상으로만 삼는한은 인류는 늘 피곤해 질 겁니다. 모든 생명들간의 조화 ... 이것이 모든 분야에서의 지향점이 되리라 봅니다.
      • 단군   2011-09-22 22:43:21   ตอบกลับ   

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        하신 모든 말씀이 귀에 쏙쏙 들어 옵니다...

        단군 박공 역시 개인적으로는 고립 시킴으로써 치유를 하는 것 보다는 조화를 이루어서 자체 기능 강화를 통한 자연스러운 치유를 더욱 근본적인 치유법 이라고 믿습니다...

        그러한, 이유로 매일 같이 운동을 생활화 하고 글을 기록하면서 고찰을 함으로써 정신의 단계를 조금 이라도 더 갈고 닦으려는 노력을 하고자 하는 것입니다...

        정신과 육체 간의 고리가 단절이된다면 이미 그 무엇을 섭취한들 무효과 일 것이라는 믿음 때문 입니다...

        그런데, 말씀 중에 대조선의 중심축 그리고 그로인한 세계평화 실현 부분은 접근하는 경로는 조금씩 다르나 바라보는 곳이 동일한 방향으로 귀결 되는 것이 참 신비스럽 습니다...더불어서 인체를 두고 서양과 동양의 시각이 극히 다른 점 역시 상당히 인상깊게 각인이 되고요...

        아주 훌륭한 공부를 해서 어떻게 감사의 말씀을 드려야 할지 모르겠습니다...

        감사합니다, 짚신님...
        • 머큐리털   2011-09-24 22:12:45  

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          참 주옥같은 숲길님의 글 입니다. 이거 퍼 가도 되겠지요, 박공님?
          그런데 숲길님이 쓰신 거 같은데 동명이인입니까?

        • 단군   2011-09-25 15:40:39  

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          퍼가셔서 재 발행을 하셔도 무방할 것으로 생각은 됩니다...

          저자는 당연이 "숲길" 님으로 하실 것으로 알고요...

          글쎄요, 동명이인 이라시면 숲길님께서 다른 곳에서도 활동을 하셨던 것이라고 들립니다만...

          단군 박공은 숲길님을 이곳에서 만나뵌 것이 처음 이라서요...

    • PTBgone   2011-09-22 14:05:54   ตอบกลับ   

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      NWO 지하기지 파괴됬다는 뉴스 비밀리에 확 퍼지고 있습니다.
      처음에 whatdoesitmean.com 에서 러시아 통신으로 보도 했는 데요. 그 뒤로 여러 웹사이트 ( abovetopsecret.com, pakalertpress.com )등 많이 받아 쓰고 있었죠.
      근데 좀 더 자세하고 정확한 소식은 http://presscore.ca 에 참조 해보세요.
      카나다 소식통이구요, 가장 특급 정보를 볼 수 있습니다. 가끔 해킹도 당하는 사이트이고 먼저 e-mail address 로 무료 등록하면 회원제로 계속 무료로 볼 수 있습니다.
      여기에 의하면 구체적으로 세계정부건설에 반발하는 미군대 내에 공군 툭수수사실(OSI)이 각 연방수사기관 협조하에 쿠데타 했다고 전하는 군요, 벤자민 풀포드나 데이비드 윌콕이 막연히 말한 국방부 일부가 했다는 게 증명이 될 겁니다. 아마 미군 정보계통에 파다히 퍼진 확실한 사건이라고 보면 틀림 없죠.
      요즘 이 데이비드 윌콕이나 벤자민 풀포드에게 사방에서 씹는 데요. 대부분 미국 수구꼴통, 아니면 그거 CIA의 Psy Op로 보면 틀림 없습니다.
      그리고 벤자민 풀포드가 말하는 북조선과 뉴월드오더 그림자정부 비밀거래도 아주 허무맹랑한 얘기는 아닐 꺼라 봅니다. 데이베드 윌콕도 그런 얘기 암시하는 데요.(divinecosmos.com) 참조. 또는 (rumprmillnews.com)
      미비밀정부 뉴 월드오더 요원들이 불안해서 다른 나라로 도망 칠려고 계획하는 나라들(뉴질랜드, 호주, 싱가폴등등) 그 중에 하나가 북조선이라고 합니다. 그런데 그게 실패 할 꺼라 그는 보고 있구요.
      이 극비 북조선 컨넥숀에 더 좀 가까운 정보가 있는 사이트는
      ( http://www. myspace.com/tom_heneghan_int )입니다. 이사람 Tom Heneghan도 클린턴, 부시, 고어가 미워하는 whistleblower 입니다. 과거에 육군정보계 군인이었죠.
      이 싸이트 계속 파면, 클린턴이 마누라 몰래 미국에서 미리 도망 갈 비자금을 북조선에다 맡겼다 하고 고어도 알고, 힐러리도 나중에 다 알고 해서 서로 블랙메일 싸움한 게 저번 여기자 밀입국 사건 전모 라네요. 하옇든 좀 더 지켜 볼 사항입니다.

    • 단군박공광팬   2011-09-22 14:11:31   ตอบกลับ   

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      단군님 신선 발견 했습니다. ㅋㅋㅋ.......^^*

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      1000만원 든 가방 베고…50억 부자의 노숙생활
      http://media.daum.net/society/affair/view.html?cateid=1010&newsid=20110922090730936&p=akn&RIGHT_TOPIC=R1

      공원과 지하철역을 전전하던 50대 노숙자가 사실은 50억 원 대의 재력가인 것으로 드러나 화제가 되고 있다. 이같은 사실은 최근 인천에서 발생한 절도 사건을 조사하던 경찰에 의해 밝혀졌다



      이와 관련 인천 중부경찰서는 지난달 31일 노숙자 A(51)씨로부터 가방을 잃어 버렸다는 신고를 접수했다. 술을 먹고 공원에서 자고 있었는데, 누군가 A씨의 가방을 가져갔다는 것이다. 범인은 곧 잡혔다. 50대 남자 B(51)씨가 아침에 집 근처 공원에 운동을 하러갔다가 잠을 자고 있는 A씨의 근처에서 뒹굴던 가방을 발견하고 가져간 것이다.

      그런데 경찰은 곧 놀라운 사실을 확인할 수 있었다. A씨가 잃어버린 가방에 뜻밖에 1000만 원 대의 현금ㆍ고급 금장시계 등이 들어 있었던 것이다. 가방을 훔쳐갔던 B씨도 그 정도의 거금이 들어 있을 줄은 몰라 깜짝 놀랐을 정도다.

      출처를 의심한 경찰은 A씨를 추궁했고, 결국 A씨는 "내가 사실은 부모님으로부터 수십억 원 대의 재산을 물려받은 자산가"라는 사실을 털어 놨다. 처음엔 경찰도 이를 믿지 못했다. 하지만 A씨의 계좌 확인 결과 실제 50억 원 가량이 입금돼 있는 사실을 확인한 후에야 믿을 수 있었다.

      경찰 관계자는 "A씨가 재산가라고 주장해 처음엔 믿을 수 없었다"며 "자세한 내역은 말할 수 없지만 A씨가 한 달에 받는 이자만 1000만 원이 넘는 것으로 확인됐다"고 말했다.

      50억 원 대의 재산가인 A씨가 왜 노숙자로 생활했을까?

      경찰에서 털어 놓은 A씨의 사연은 이렇다. 그는 젊은 시절 부모님의 재산을 물려받은 후 한때 사업을 하기도 했지만 실패했고 현재 이렇다할 직업이 없는 상태다. 보통 사람이라면 집과 고급 자동차를 사는 등 부유한 생활을 즐겼을 법하다.

      하지만 결혼을 안 해 가족도 없는 A씨는 더 이상 돈을 벌 욕심도 없고, 세상살이에 별다른 흥미를 느끼지 못했다. 결국 지난해 초부터 모든 재산을 처분해 은행에 맡기고 떠돌이 노숙자 생활을 시작했다.

      A씨는 대신 정기적으로 받는 이자를 가방 속에 넣고 다니며 가끔씩 꺼내보는 것을 유일한 낙으로 삼았다. 숙박비를 아끼려 여관 대신 노숙을 계속했고, 돈 가방을 베개 삼아 잠드는 게 일상이었다.

      A씨는 경찰에서 "호텔이나 모텔에서 자면 감옥 생활을 하는 것 같아 밤에 잠이 안 와서 노숙을 하게 됐다"며 "새벽에 공원에서 운동하고, 저렴한 식당에서 끼니를 때운 후 낮에는 전철 타고 서울에 올라가서 사우나같은 데서 시간을 보낸다"라고 말했다.

      한편 현재 A씨는 경찰의 권유로 돈가방 대신 현금카드를 들고 다니고 있으며 앞으로도 계속 노숙생활을 할 계획인 것으로 알려졌다.
      • 단군   2011-09-22 22:46:45   ตอบกลับ   

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        허, 그 분 참으로 대단하신 내공을 소유하신 분이로군요...

        허기사, 은행 잔고가 50억 이라면 매달 2%씩만 계산을 해도 그게 얼맙니까?...너무 엄청나서 저는 계산이 잘 되지 않는군요...

        저런 정도의 내공 이라면 이 세상 모든것이 자기 것과 매일반이 아닌가 하는 생각을 합니다...

        부럽습니다...

        감사합니다, 단군박공광팬님...^^b

    • 단군   2011-09-22 14:19:43   ตอบกลับ   

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      <오바마 대북압박 유엔연설>MB ‘先비핵화’ 강조… 대화보다 ‘원칙’에 무게
      한·미간 조율에 따른 듯
      http://media.daum.net/politics/others/cluster_list.html?clusterid=419091&newsid=20110922081056442&clusternewsid=20110922081056442&p=sbsi

      유엔 총회 참석을 위해 미국 뉴욕을 방문 중인 이명박 대통령은 북한 핵문제와 대북정책에 대해 말을 아끼지 않았다. 각종 연설과 정상회담에서 북한 문제는 거의 빠짐 없이 언급됐을 정도다. 하지만 이 대통령의 대북 메시지는 북한에 대한 비핵화 요구와 이를 견인하기 위한 국제사회의 공조 강화에 초점이 맞춰져 있었다.

      이 대통령이 21일(현지시간) 유엔 총회 기조연설을 통해 밝힌 대북정책 기조는 '선(先) 비핵화·후(後) 경제협력'이라는 원칙의 재확인으로 요약된다. 이 대통령은 북한을 언급한 첫 부분에서 "북한의 핵위협은 한반도와 동북아시아, 그리고 세계 평화에 커다란 도전"이라고 규정했다.

      이어 "21세기의 세계는 안보도, 경제도 서로 협력하며 공동 번영을 이루어가는 세계"라며 "북한도 이제 시대의 조류에 합류해야 한다"고 촉구했다.

      이 대통령은 "북한이 상생과 공영의 길을 택한다면 대한민국은 국제사회와 더불어 이를 기꺼이 도울 것"이라며 '당근' 제시도 잊지 않았지만 원론적 언급이라는 해석이 지배적이다. 이 대통령은 지난 20일 세계지도자상 수락 연설에서도 북한의 비핵화 조치가 남북간 신뢰 구축의 전제조건임을 강조한 바 있다. 청와대 핵심 관계자는 "이 대통령이 조건을 달아 대북 지원도 얘기했지만 뉴욕 발언의 핵심은 대북정책의 원칙 재확인"이라고 정리했다.

      '국제사회 공조'도 이 대통령이 내놓은 일련의 대북 발언록에서 밑줄이 그어진 부분이다. 이 대통령은 21일 노다 요시히코(野田佳彦) 일본 총리와의 첫 정상회담에서 "동북아 안보와 세계 경제와 관련해 양국은 물론 미국을 포함해서 3국이 힘을 모으는 게 중요하다"며 "한·미·일 3국이 긴밀하게 협조해 정보를 교류하는 게 중요하고, 이것이 북한을 국제사회에 나오게 하는 길"이라고 강조했다.

      이 대통령의 대북 메시지 중심이 '대화'에서 '원칙'으로 옮아간 것을 두고 한·미 간 정책 조율의 결과가 아니냐는 관측도 나온다. 이 대통령의 '선 비핵화' 강조는 유엔 총회 연설에서 '더 큰 압박과 고립'을 언급하며 북한을 몰아세운 버락 오바마 미 대통령의 발언과 같은 궤적에 있기 때문이다.

      국내적으로 이 대통령의 원칙 재확인은 일각에서 제기된 '대북정책 기조 변화론'에 재갈을 물릴 것으로 보인다. 정치권은 선거를 앞두고 대북정책 변화를 주문해 왔고, 최근 통일부 장관 교체, 남북 가스관 사업 논의, 종교인 북한 방문, 남북 비핵화 회담 재개 등 일련의 사건을 놓고 정부의 대북정책 기조가 바뀐 것이 아니냐는 관측이 적지 않았다.

    • 단군   2011-09-22 14:21:47   ตอบกลับ   

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      “한미일 3국 뭉치면 북한 나온다” 한-일 정상회담
      http://media.daum.net/politics/cluster_list.html?newsid=20110922145124026&clusterid=419091&clusternewsid=20110922145124026

      이명박 대통령은 21일(현지시간) "한미일 3국이 긴밀하게 협조, 정보를 교류하는 게 중요하며 이것이 북한을 국제사회에 나오게 하는 길"이라고 말했다.

      유엔 총회 참석차 미국 뉴욕을 방문 중인 이 대통령은 이날 숙소호텔에서 노다 요시히코(野田佳彦) 일본 총리와 정상회담을 갖고 한반도 정세와 관련해 한미일 3국간 공조의 필요성을 강조했다.

      이번 한일 정상회담은 노다 총리 취임 이후 첫번째 회담으로 '상견례' 형식으로 이뤄져 양국간 현안이 논의되지는 않았지만 두 정상은 양국간 발전 방안과 북한 문제, 국제 협력 등 공동 관심사에 대해 협의했다.

      이 대통령은 회담에서 "동북아 안보와 세계 경제와 관련해 양국간 협력이 필요하다"면서 "미국을 포함해서 3국이 힘을 모으는 게 중요하다. 하토야마, 간 총리에 이르기까지 한국과 협력을 잘해온 것에 감사한다"고 말했다고 박정하 청와대 대변인이 전했다.

      노다 총리는 "동북아 평화와 안전을 위해 한미일 3국간 공조가 필요하다는 견해에 공감한다"면서 "(일본인) 납치 문제도 시급히 해결해야 할 과제로서 한국의 협력을 요청하며 계속 협조해주기를 기대한다"고 말했다.

      그러면서 "오바마 미국 대통령과 정상회담에서 북한 문제에 대해 한미일 3국이 공조하는 게 기본이라는 데 인식을 같이 했고 계속 노력할 것"이라고 밝혔다.

      양국 정상은 또 양국간 경제 분야에 대해 긴밀한 협력을 구축하기로 했다.

      노다 총리는 "아태 지역은 사회·경제 분야에서 가능성이 높은 지역으로 한일간협력이 어느 때보다 기대된다"면서 "양국간 경제교류 촉진을 위해 한일 자유무역협정(FTA)이 가속화되기를 기대한다"고 말했다.

      이에 대해 이 대통령은 "한국은 FTA에 대해 활발히 열려있다. 계속 협의해나가자"면서 "조속한 시일 내에 한국을 방문, 한일 관계를 논의하자"고 제안했으며, 노다 총리도 이 대통령의 일본 방문을 공식 요청했다.

      앞서 이 대통령은 이날 유엔총회에서 기조연설을 통해 북한의 핵위협을 세계평화에 대한 도전으로 규정하고, "상생과 공영의 길을 택한다면, 대한민국은 국제사회와 더불어 이를 기꺼이 도울 것"이라고 밝혔다.

      이 대통령은 환경과 성장이라는 두 마리 토끼를 동시에 잡기 위한 구상도 제시했다.

      이러한 구상을 실현하기 위해 우리나라가 지난 2008년부터 국가 장기 성장비전으로 추진해 온 '녹색성장'을 소개하고, 특히 신재생에너지 개발로 화석연료를 대체하면서 안전한 원자력 활용을 추구해야 한다고 제안했다.

    • 단군   2011-09-22 14:25:11   ตอบกลับ   

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      위성락·이용호 … 6자회담 재개 실마리 찾았나
      “베이징 회담 유익했다”
      http://media.daum.net/politics/north/view.html?cateid=1019&newsid=20110922012511531&p=joongang

      제2차 남북 비핵화 회담이 21일 중국 베이징 시내 장안클럽에서 열렸다. 남북 6자회담 수석대표인 위성락 한반도평화교섭본부장과 북한 이용호 외무성 부상은 이날 3시간에 걸친 마라톤 회담과 만찬 회동까지 해가며 6자회담 재개 문제, 즉 6자회담 재개 전 북한이 취해야 할 '사전조치'에 대해 집중 논의했다. 정부 당국자는 회담이 끝난 뒤 "서로 유익하고 좋은 대화였으며, 이런 대화 과정을 지속해 나가면 진전을 볼 수 있겠다는 기대를 갖게 됐다"고 밝혔다.

        이 부상은 회담이 끝난 뒤 "이번 회담 결과를 토대로 6자회담을 전제조건 없이 빨리 재개하기 위한 노력을 기울여 나갈 것"이라고 말했다. 전제조건 없는 회담 개최를 재차 강조한 것이다.

       겉으로만 보면 양측이 평행선을 달린 것처럼 보이지만 북한이 비핵화 사전조치와 관련된 일부 진전된 입장을 내보였다는 관측이 나온다. 가시적 성과 도출엔 한계를 노출했지만 향후 북·미 대화에서 북한이 보일 긍정적 실마리를 우리 측에 던졌을 수 있다는 얘기다. 다음 달 중 스티븐 보즈워스 미 대북정책 특별대표가 평양을 방문할 것으로 보인다.

    • 단군   2011-09-22 14:27:05   ตอบกลับ   

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      촘말리 라오스 대통령 평양 도착
      http://media.daum.net/politics/north/view.html?cateid=1019&newsid=20110922150742772&p=yonhap

      촘말리 사야손 라오스 대통령이 21일 평양공항에 도착해 환영 꽃다발을 받고 있는 모습이라며 조선중앙통신이 22일 보도했다. 가운데는 김영남 최고인민위원회 상임위원장.

    • CBS   2011-09-22 15:15:38   ตอบกลับ   

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      단우 10:27 new
      여러분 8월 23일, 참 희한한 역사적인 날 입니다. 드디어 뉴월드 오더의 비밀 지하도시 일부가 먼저 여기에 불만품은 정의파 미 공군특수부대에 의해 무너지는 군요. 그들의 업보라고 봅니다. 몰래 미리 지하도시에 숨어 살다가 지구 인구 90% 를 죽일려고 다 준비했었죠, 이들 세계정부 건설에 반대하는 미 공군 특별수사대(OSI)가 각 기관 협조하에 양쪽, 덴버 터널 과 워싱턴 디시 터널을 다 소형핵으로 폭발 시켰다 합니다. 전에
      whatdoesitmean.com 에서 보도 했었는 데, (자연지진이 아님.) 다시 David 와 벤자민 풀포드가 확인 하는 군요. 더 정확하고 자세한 스토리는
      http://presscore.ca 참조하시면 맨 뒷 칼럼에 나옵니다
      • CBS   2011-09-23 08:31:27   ตอบกลับ   

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        봄호수
        11.09.22. 15:42
        저가 오늘 부로 <자주독립통일민중연대>카페를 탈퇴하였기 때문에
        앞으로 기술원님의 글은 이곳에 올리지 못하게 되었음을 알려 드립니다.

        ***
        안녕하세요? 봄호수님 연로하신데 그간 올려주신 글들 잘 읽어 보았습니다 저도 자통민에 있다가 타의로 나온 사람입니다 그간 기술원님 글들을 선생님으로 통해 잘 읽고 있었습니다만 아쉽게 되었습니다 혹 선생님도 타의로 나오시게 되었는지요 최근간 기술원님글이 펌 되므로인해 피해를 보신건지요 매우 안타깝게 생각합니다 만약 그렇다면 그 까페는 오로지 기술원글들이 더이상 알려지기를 바라지 않고 공안들의 정보 수집원으로만 활용되고 있는 겁니다 기술원님을 빨리 다른 곳으로 모셔와야 할텐데...그 곳은 프락치들이 운영을 하고 전파위험이 없는 일부 회원만을 데리고 기술원님의 고급정보를 습득하기 위한 폐쇄된 곳입니다.

        통탄할 일입니다!!!
        • 단군   2011-09-23 12:23:28  

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          통탄할 일 아니라고생각을 합니다...

          예견되어있던 수순의 일 입니다...

          꼴려는 우리와는 지향 성이 180도 다른 반통일 세력 이라는 방증 이지요...

          상종을 해서는 아니 될 수꼴 입니다...

          잘하신 것으로 사려됩니다...

          http://cafe384.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_read?grpid=12zE1&mgrpid=&fldid=1MZe&page=1&prev_page=0&firstbbsdepth=
          &lastbbsdepth=zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&contentval=
          0049azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=15970&listnum=20

        • CBS   2011-09-23 14:00:54  

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          봄호수 11:36 new
          ***님 반갑습니다. 사리에 맞지 않은 자통민지기 고려님의 돌변한 행동과 심지어 기술원님과 나(통일염원)까지 국정원의 끄나플로 주시한다기에 탈퇴를 했습니다. 나이 여든에 돌아버린 아녀자를 갈바봐야 뭣하겠습니까
          기다려 주십시요 오늘 아니면 내일 기술원님을 이곳으로 모셔오도록 하겠습니다.


          ┗ *** 15:53 new
          아 그러셨군요 정말 다행입니다 저도 박공님을 짜르는 것을 보고 이건 아니다 싶어 끈질기게 물고 늘어 졌더니 결국 짜르더군요 구역질 나는 곳에서 기술원님 글들을 읽기가 민망했었습니다 봄호수님 감사드립니다 화이팅!!!



          봄호수 11:24 new
          통일파랑새 여러분 기대하십시요 기술원님을 이곳으로 반드시 모셔오겠습니다!!!!!

          박공님 화이팅입니다!!!

        • Humanist   2011-09-23 14:28:14  

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          걱정하지 마시기를 바랍니다...

          사필귀정 일 것으로 믿어 의심치 않습니다...

          감사합니다...^^b

    • Anh   2011-09-23 09:02:10   ตอบกลับ   

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      These are typical Benjamin Fulford slander of NK:

      http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/north-ben-fulford-korean-attack-linked-to-dismantling-of-north-korean-spy-network-in-japan/

      http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=147814

      There are lots of disinfo out there. I myself had been fooled by some of the disinfo.

      The basic rule of a disinfo is tell something like 90% truth and 10% falsehood, and the part which is false tends to be the most critical part.

      KJS's most important role during KIS's struggle in Manchuria was catching such falsehoods so well, and make KIS escape the fate of Yang Sebong and Yang Jingyu.
      • Humanist   2011-09-23 14:31:19   ตอบกลับ   

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        I am still studying for the case...

        I urge you to put your hands together on this issue...

        Need to know exact "Direction" of Benjamin towards the DPRK...

        Need to have hard evidence that he wrote specific spam news in order to damage KIS+KJS and KJI...

        Help us, dude, if you can...

        http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2011/09/two-underground-nwo-bases-destroyed/

    • 단군   2011-09-23 14:45:16   ตอบกลับ   

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      Has Western capitalism failed?
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14972015

      Twenty years ago, the fall of communism in Russia and Eastern Europe seemed to prove the triumph of capitalism. But was that an illusion? Constant shocks to the world's financial system over the past few years prompted the BBC World Service's Business Daily programme to ask leading figures whether they thought Western capitalism had failed.

      Angel Gurria: Secretary General, Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)


      My answer to this question would be no. But I also wonder whether capitalism should be answering to the prosecution.

      We failed as regulators, we failed as supervisors, we failed as corporate governance managers, we failed as risk managers, and we also failed in the allocation of roles and responsibilities for international economic organisations.

      Some international organisations saw the crisis coming. Some even managed to put out some warnings, but they did not co-ordinate their assessments, they did not speak with one strong voice.

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      It is very important to send clear signals of how we are going to address this debt problem without sacrificing growth and employment”

      Thus, they were ignored in an atmosphere of great prosperity where everybody was making a lot of money and everybody thought that innovation was the name of the game - and by warning that something could go wrong, you would look like you were holding progress back.

      There was also the philosophy that markets needed to function with the least possible government intervention. But that did not mean that they could work without any intervention at all, nor did it necessarily mean that the intervention could be such a light touch that you were not able to identify risks.

      So the crisis left a dire legacy. A legacy of high unemployment, enormous fiscal deficits which we are still struggling to control, and an accumulated public debt which has already reached 100% of GDP on average in the OECD countries.

      It is very important to send clear signals of how we are going to address this debt problem without sacrificing growth and employment.

      Reforms to product and labour markets, education, innovation, green growth, competition, taxes, health - they are the things that should be the object of our primary focus in the context of a long-term strategy to restore sustained growth.

      This will create jobs and help to tackle debt.

      We also need to "go social" and focus on innovative policies to protect the most vulnerable.

      Ken Ofori Atta: Executive chairman and co-founder of Databank Financial Services (Ghana)


      The 20 years prior to the recent credit crisis could be described as capitalism as its best, with global wealth accelerating at ever increasing rates.

      Since 1990, when we left Wall Street and founded Databank to offer the first investment banking services in Ghana, we were able to capitalise significantly on the boom years,

      We have also observed and embraced how some of that capitalism-fuelled wealth has found its way into funding education, innovation and creativity, all in pursuit of a better life and hopefully a better world.

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      What went awry among the frenzy for growth in more mature markets was people losing sight of the fact that someone somewhere has to work hard”

      All too recently this notion was challenged. The spark that ignited the crisis led to a conflagration of adverse effects. These spread like a virus across North America, Europe and right down into Asia.

      While our counterparts dealing on the historically more developed markets were taking increasing amounts of risk, employing complicated financial instruments to make returns from increasingly complex derivatives, Ghana - and Africa as a whole - was focused largely on helping to fund a growth in enterprise.

      We were not so widely exposed to toxic assets so we weathered the storm well. And we did so employing the techniques the Databank founders learnt on Wall Street: Western capitalism in its truest form.

      From this Ghanaian's perspective, no talk of capitalism could be made without mentioning Dr JB Danquah, the father of this philosophy in the then Gold Coast. Danquah's vision was to create an environment in which individuals would be able to set up and run enterprises that would in turn create wealth for themselves and their households.

      Citizens would therefore be in the position to acquire and own properties that could be used as collateral for credit to enhance their businesses and expand wealth to benefit more families.

      This thesis not only allows many people to create wealth, but stimulates initiatives, making people more independent for their own good and also for the good of the nation.

      What went awry among the frenzy for growth in more mature markets was people losing sight of the fact that someone somewhere has to work hard to make a market and build a business to create real enduring value that goes beyond the bottom line.

      Chandran Nair: Founder of Hong-Kong based think tank Global Institute For Tomorrow (GIFT)


      The extreme form of capitalism which has permeated the world, particularly in the last 30-40 years, is in deep trouble and we are in denial.

      It is important to understand that fundamental principles of capitalism - that human beings are rational and markets behave rationally, and that markets will assign prices - are flawed.

      It is also important to understand the roots of modern capitalism.

      You could argue that slavery was the first attempt to under-price resources. When slavery came to an end there was colonisation, which was again an attempt by the capitalist model to use resources cheaply. With the end of colonies, we had the globalisation argument of economic growth and then the globalisation of finance.

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      Capitalism has essentially hit a wall and a very different conversation needs to take place”

      When I speak about this in Europe, they say there has been 30 years of over-leverage, but I say they should multiply that by 10 and look at 300 years of essentially exploited growth.

      What we need to recognise now is that the world is a very different place from what it was 100 years ago when we had one billion people.

      With a current population approaching seven billion, things will have to change.

      A fundamental issue that the world will have to recognise, and which Western capitalism has conveniently ignored, is that the goods and services which companies and economies seem to thrive on are based on under-pricing resources and externalising costs.

      That game is over and we need a fundamental restructuring - essentially about how people will live, and we need to move beyond simple notions about growth to more sophisticated, nuanced discussions about human progress.

      That is not the same as suggesting that economic growth will be able to deliver i-toys and cars to everyone. This is not possible and that is where capitalism has essentially hit a wall and a very different conversation needs to take place.

      Professor Tim Jackson: Author of Prosperity without Growth - economics for a finite planet


      Every society clings to a myth by which it lives.

      Ours is the myth of economic growth. For the last five decades, the pursuit of growth has been the single most important policy goal across the world. The global economy is five times the size it was half a century ago. If it continues to grow at the same rate it will be 80 times that size by the year 2100.

      This extraordinary ramping up of global economic activity is without historical precedent. It is totally at odds with the finite resource base and the fragile ecology on which we depend for survival.

      Most of the time, we avoid the stark reality of these numbers. Growth must go on, we insist.

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      The days of spending money we do not have on things we do not need to impress people we do not care about are over”

      The reasons for this collective blindness are easy enough to find.

      Western capitalism is structurally reliant on growth for its stability. When growth falters - as it has done recently - politicians panic. Businesses struggle to survive. People lose their jobs and sometimes their homes.

      Questioning growth is deemed to be the act of lunatics, idealists and revolutionaries.

      Yet question it we must. The myth of growth has failed us. It has failed the two billion people who still live on less than $2 a day. It has failed the fragile ecological systems on which we depend for survival.

      But economic crisis presents us with a unique opportunity to invest in change. To sweep away the short-term thinking that has plagued society for decades. To engage, for instance, in a radical overhaul of dysfunctional capital markets.

      Untrammelled speculation in commodities and financial derivatives brought the financial world to the brink of collapse just three years ago. It needs to be replaced by a longer, slower sense of capital.

      Fixing the economy is only part of the battle. We also have to confront the convoluted logic of consumerism. The days of spending money we do not have on things we do not need to impress people we do not care about are over.

      Living well is about good nutrition, decent homes, access to good quality services, stable communities, satisfying employment.

      Prosperity, in any meaningful sense of the word, transcends material concerns. It resides in our love for our families, the support of our friends, the strength of our communities, our ability to participate fully in the life of society, a sense of meaning and purpose in our lives.

      Meghnad (Lord) Desai: Member of the House of Lords, emeritus professor at the London School of Economics


      Capitalism is alive and well, but not in the Western countries - it has migrated eastwards.

      Russian capitalism is somewhat old and in need of urgent repair, but the spirit of capitalism - risk-taking, saving, investing, hard work - all those virtues have now migrated and are happily ensconced in China, India, Indonesia, Korea and Japan - the countries which we never thought would ever get out of poverty.

      Western capitalism probably had half a century of over-indulgence - continued prosperity, full employment, almost guaranteed growth - and that in its turn meant that our costs went up and manufacturing industry migrated abroad, while finance has proved to be a fickle friend.

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      We have to do something to get ourselves out this crisis but that will have to be in the spirit of capitalism, not against it”

      We will have to rethink our model, our values, we will have to acquire old-fashioned virtues, because capitalism is not going to go any time fast.

      If Asia has vigorous energetic capitalism and we have tired old capitalism, we will end up paying a huge price and we will trade our prosperity for their prosperity.

      Socialism died 20 years ago - capitalism lives on.

      It changes its form, it migrates, it is fully global. Now we at last understand what globalisation means - it means we are just as important as anyone else. If we don't work very hard, we will lose our importance.

      That is the lesson of the contemporary world.

      Capitalism lives through crisis. That is how it renews and invigorates itself.

      For our bad luck, capitalism has renewed itself by migrating eastwards. We are left with the debris and we have to do something to get ourselves out this crisis but that will have to be in the spirit of capitalism, not against it.

    • 단군   2011-09-23 14:49:12   ตอบกลับ   

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      China hits out at US deal on Taiwan F-16 fighters
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15014358

      China has reacted angrily to a US deal to upgrade Taiwan's ageing fleet of US-built F-16 fighter planes.

      Vice-Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun said the $5.85bn (£3.77bn) deal would "inevitably undermine bilateral relations", including military and security co-operation.

      He also summoned US Ambassador Gary Locke to protest against the deal.

      China traditionally reacts strongly to US military co-operation with Taiwan, which it considers its territory.

      Last year, when the US sold missiles and other hardware to Taiwan, China suspended military exchanges with the US.

      Correspondents say harsh words from China were expected, but it remains to be seen whether it takes any action to show its displeasure.

      Zhu Feng, professor of international relations at Peking University, told the BBC he believed the Chinese reaction was aimed at a domestic audience.

      "China's grandstanding gesture - with very little action - is an attempt to avoid giving Chinese people the impression that despite the US's ongoing arm sales to Taiwan, the authorities are not responding in a robust manner," he said.

      Some future bilateral military exchanges could be postponed as a result, but the US-China relationship would not suffer long-term damage, he said.

      'Must cancel'
      The US deal, revealed on Wednesday, falls short of what Taiwan had requested.

      The announcement suggests the US will not now sell Taiwan a newer generation of F-16 fighters, as Taipei had hoped. It will instead upgrade its older-generation F-16 fleet.

      US officials said the F-16 A/B fighters will undergo a retrofit which will bring them up to the same standards as the more advanced C/D models.

      Mr Zhang called on Washington to "immediately cancel the wrong decision".

      China's defence ministry, meanwhile, said that the US action had "caused serious damage to Sino-US military relations".

      But Taiwanese officials appeared to welcome the news.

      "After the upgrade, the air force's combat capability will be advanced hugely," Taiwanese Defence Minister Kao Hua-chu said at a press conference in Taipei.

      The defence ministry said Taiwan remained under threat from China's military expansion.

      "Improving our defence capability is a crucial... measure to sustain regional security and stable development across the strait," it said in a statement.

      Taiwan also said it would continue its attempts to purchase more than 60 of the C/D planes, which are considered more of a match for China's latest war planes.

      Taipei said that decision was still pending in the US and urged officials to agree to it.

      Washington's decision will now pass to Congress for approval.

      Some analysts say the decision to approve an upgrade - rather than provide more advanced fighters - is designed to appease Beijing, which had warned that relations would suffer if the sale went ahead.

      In recent years China's military superiority over Taiwan has steadily increased, and the US is legally bound to help Taiwan defend itself under the Taiwan Relations Act passed in 1979.



    • 단군   2011-09-23 14:57:03   ตอบกลับ   

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      “제주 해군기지 크루즈항, 사실은 항공모함용”
      http://media.daum.net/society/nation/jeju/view.html?cateid=100010&newsid=20110923161119604&p=khan&RIGHT_COMM=R6

      제주 해군기지의 크루즈항이 사실은 항공모함을 위해 설계됐다는 주장이 제기됐다. 이는 해군기지가 민군복합형 관광미항이라는 정부 입장을 뒤집는 주장으로 파문이 예상된다.

      제주도의회 박원철의원(민주당)은 23일 해군기지 관련 의혹 규명을 위한 행정사무조사에서 "해군은 애초에 민군복합형 관광미항으로 만들 생각이 없었다"며 "크루즈항 선회장이 520m로 설계된 것은 국방군사시설기준상 항공모함을 기준으로 했기 때문"이라고 밝혔다. 국방군사시설기준상 선회장 적용기준은 '지형 등으로 부득이하게 예인선을 이용하는 경우 항공모함 520m'로 규정돼있다.

      해군은 제주 해군기지의 선회장을 520m로 설계했다. 해군은 이곳에 15만t급 크루즈선박 2척이 접안 가능하다며 이를 근거로 강정마을 해군기지가 크루즈항이 포함된 민군복합형 해군기지라고 설명해왔다. 박 의원은 "민항의 경우 항만법 항만설계기준에 따라 15만t급 크루즈 선박이 접안하려면 선박전체길이의 2배에 해당하는 690m 선회장을 갖춰야 한다"며 "해군이 크루즈선박이 접안 가능한 민항을 계획했다면 처음부터 선회장 설계를 690m로 했어야 옳다"고 밝혔다. 15만t급 크루즈 선박의 전체 길이는 345m다.

      박 의원은 "국방 군사시설기준에 항공모함을 위한 선회장이 520m로 지정돼있다는 사실을 근거로 할 때 민항 건설을 명분으로 항공모함이 출입하기 위한 해군기지를 건설하려는 것으로 추정할 수 밖에 없다"고 주장했다. 박 의원은 "국방부는 제주도민을 달래기 위해 어차피 만들어야 하는 안벽에 15만t급 규모의 크루즈 2척이 동시 접안할 수 있다며 현혹해온 것에 불과하다는 의심을 떨칠 수 없다"고 말했다.

      박 의원은 해군기지 항만구역의 항로 설정 역시 바람이나 조류 등 돌발상황에 대처하기 어려울 수 있기 때문에 크루즈 선박이 자유롭게 드나들 수 없다고 지적했다.

      박 의원은 "국방부는 처음부터 제주 해군기지를 민군복합형 관광미항으로 만들려는 생각이 없었던 것"이라며 해군기지 건설공사 중단과 재검토를 요구했다.

      이에대해 해군본부는 제주 해군기지 설계 당시 항공모함을 염두에 둔 적은 없다고 밝혔다. 해군본부 관계자는 "제주 해군기지에 크루즈접안시설을 만들기 위해 실제로 14만8000t급 퀸메리호를 대상으로 시뮬레이션을 거쳤다"며 "그 결과 선회장은 517m면 가능하다는 조건이 제시돼 설계에 반영했다"고 밝혔다.

      이 관계자는 "나중에 해군기지를 운영하면서 항공모함도 들어올 수 있으면 좋은 것은 사실"이라며 "항공모함과 15만t급 크루즈선박의 규격이 비슷하기 때문에 접안시 요구되는 조건도 유사한만큼 크루즈항에 대한 오해가 생긴 것 같다"고 말했다.

    • 단군   2011-09-23 15:06:05   ตอบกลับ   

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      자전거로 북한 여행하는 외국인 관광객

      http://media.daum.net/politics/north/view.html?cateid=1019&newsid=20110923160029208&p=yonhap

      최근 외국인 20여 명이 자전거를 타고 백두산과 평양~남포 구간을 여행했다고 영국 일간 텔레그라프 인터넷판이 22일(현지시각) 도쿄발 기사로 전했다. 사진은 여행객들이 자전거로 평양~남포를 잇는 고속도로인 `청년영웅도로'를 달리고 있는 장면.

    • 단군   2011-09-23 15:12:15   ตอบกลับ   

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      최영림 내각총리, 촘말리 사야손 라오스 대통령과 담화
      http://media.daum.net/politics/north/view.html?cateid=1019&newsid=20110923114624198&p=yonhap



      북한 최영림 내각총리가 22일 촘말리 사야손 라오스 대통령을 만나 담화를 나눴다며 조선중앙통신이 23일 보도했다.

    • 단군   2011-09-23 16:04:38   ตอบกลับ   

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      Iran's Ahmadinejad attacks 'arrogant powers' in UN speech
      Topic: The 66th Session of the UN General Assembly
      http://en.rian.ru/world/20110922/167048533.html

      Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad addresses the 66th UN General Assembly at the United Nations

      Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used his speech at the UN General Assembly on Thursday to accuse the U.S. and other Western powers of a range of crimes.

      Delegations from a number of UN member states, including the U.S., U.K, France, Germany and Israel either left the hall during Ahmadinejad’s appearance or were not present at its onset.

      Ahmadinejad said the September 11, 2001 attacks were "mysterious" and that they had been used as a "pretext" for U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      He also said "arrogant powers" forbid any questioning of either the 9/11 attacks or the Holocaust.

      “They threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military actions,” he said.

      The vast majority of Ahmadinejad’s statements were in the form of rhetorical questions.
      “Who abducted forcefully millions of people from their homes in Africa?” he said, before suggesting compensation for the victims of slavery.

      "Which governments are always ready to drop thousands of bombs on other countries, but ponder and hesitate to provide aid to famine-stricken people in Somalia or in other places?" he also asked.

      Although he made no direct comment on the Arab uprisings, he asked “can the flowers of democracy blossom from NATO missiles?”

      He also criticized the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces and his subsequent burial at sea.

      But Ahmadinejad did not comment on the imminent Palestinian bid for statehood. The U.S. has said it will veto any Palestinian request to the Security Council for full member status of the UN.

      Ahmadinejad’s speech came two days after two U.S. hikers found guilty of espionage were released from an Iranian jail and allowed to leave the country.

      Hundreds of people gathered outside the UN building to protest the Iranian leader's presence.

    • 단군박공님!!!!!   2011-09-23 22:40:48   ตอบกลับ   

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      드디어 올 것이 왔습니다!!!

      고려 그 년이 봄호수님과 문제를 일으키고 급기야는 봄호수님께서 카페를 탈퇴 하시는 우울한 일이 발생 했습니다. 진짜, 울화통이 터지네요. 일각에서는 고려가 봄호수님을 간첩으로 몰아 가는 발언을 했다고 하는 데요 자세한 내막은 모르나 그간의 일을 죽 사펴보면서 회원들 모두 조마조마 했습니다.

      하여간 저 년은 참 문젭니다. 단군박공님을 강퇴 시킬 때부터 이미 오래전부터 알아봤지만 말인데요, 저걸 그냥 확!!! 그리고, 기술원 님도 사라졌습니다. 이거, 뭔 일이래요? 그나마, 이곳에서 스트레스 풀고 갑니다. 고맙습니다 단군 박공님.(_ _)
      • 단군   2011-09-24 15:00:33   ตอบกลับ   

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        예, 이야기 익히 들어 알고 있습니다...

        놀라울 일이 아닌 듯으로 생각을 합니다...

        봄호수 선생님과 기술원 선생님이 지극히 정상 이시라는 방증 입니다...

        아주 잘 된 일입니다...

        이랗게 한번 동지들을 믿고 따르지 못하고 지속적으로 의심하는 인간들은 자신의 시님을 다시하번더 돌아보고 검토를 하는 작업을 하는 것이 옳을 줄로 믿습니다...

        자신에게 문제가 있음 입니다...

        이제 두 분께서 봄호수 선생님을 주축으로 모이시는 일만 남은 것으로 사려됩니다...

        감사합니다...^^b

    • 고려야, 집에서   2011-09-24 14:45:25   ตอบกลับ   

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      구멍이나 파거라. 뻘짓 거리 하다가는 그 구멍마저 막힐지도 모르겟다. 역겨운 년. 니 가정이나 돌보면서 통운동 이든지 하든지 개짓거리 하든지 .

      국정원 하고 짜고치는 고스톱이 재밋냐? 민족진영 죄다 쪽박차게 만드니까?

      죄송합니다 단군 박공님.(_ _)

    • 짚신   2011-09-24 22:09:44   ตอบกลับ   

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      푸틴 "내년 대선 입후보하겠다"(종합)


      여당 전당대회서 메드베데프 대통령 제안 수락

      "메드베데프는 대선 뒤 내각 맡을 것" 밝혀

      메드베데프-푸틴 '역할 맞교대' 현실화 확실

      (모스크바=연합뉴스) 유철종 특파원 = 블라디미르 푸틴 총리의 내년 3월 대통령 선거 입후보가 사실상 확정됐다.

      지금까지 푸틴 총리의 대선 후보 경쟁 상대로 거론되던 드미트리 메드베데프 현 대통령이 24일 푸틴 총리에게 대선 입후보를 제안하고 푸틴이 이를 수락했기 때문이다.

      메드베데프 대통령은 퇴임 후 총리를 맡아 내각을 이끌겠다는 뜻을 밝혔다.

      뉴스통신 리아노보스티 등에 따르면 메드베데프 대통령은 오는 12월 총선을 앞두고 24일 오후(현지시각) 모스크바에서 열린 여당(통합러시아당) 전당대회에 참석해 연설하면서 내년 대선에 푸틴 총리가 입후보해야 한다고 제안했다.

      메드베데프 대통령은 "내년 대선 후보로 블라디미르 푸틴을 지지하는 게 합당하다고 생각한다"면서 자신은 대선 이후 내각에서 "실질적 역할"을 맡을 준비가 돼 있다고 말했다.

      이에 앞서 역시 전당대회에 참석해 연설한 푸틴 총리도 메드베데드프 대통령과 이미 오래전에 누가 어떤 직책을 맡을지에 대해 합의했었다고 밝혔다.

      푸틴 총리는 그러면서 메드베데프 대통령이 정당명부식 비례대표제로 치러지는 12월 총선에서 통합러시아당의 연방 후보 명부 1순위 자리를 맡아 달라고 요청했다.

      이에 따라 지난 2000~2008년 2기를 대통령으로 재직했던 푸틴 총리가 내년 3월 대선을 통해 크렘린에 복귀하고 메드베데프 대통령은 총리를 맡는, '역할 맞교대'가 이뤄질 것이 확실시된다.

      이날 오후 1시에 시작된 전당대회에 참석, 처음으로 연설에 나선 푸틴 총리는 "(국민이) 대통령과 총리로부터 선거 이후 권력 구조에 대한 제안을 기다리고 있음을 알고 있다"며 "앞으로 우리(나와 메드베데프 대통령)가 무엇을 할지, 어떤 직책을 맡을지에 대한 합의는 이미 오래전에 이뤄졌다"고 말했다.

      푸틴은 그러면서 "오랜 전통에 따라 (여당인) 통합러시아당의 총선 연방 후보 명부 1순위에 현 대통령인 메드베데프가 올라갈 것을 제안한다"고 말했고 참석자들은 박수로 이 제안을 환영했다고 현지 언론은 전했다.

      450명의 국가두마(하원) 의원을 뽑는 러시아 총선은 각 정당이 미리 의원 후보 명부를 발표한 뒤 투표 이후 정당별 득표율에 따라 의석수를 배정받아 명부 순서대로 당선 의원을 확정하는 정당명부식 비례대표제로 치러진다.

      그런 만큼 후보 명단에 어떤 인물이 올랐는지가 정당별 득표율에 영향을 미치는 중요한 변수가 된다.

      푸틴에 뒤이어 연단에 오른 메드베데프 대통령은 "푸틴 총리의 제안은 책임이 무겁고 심각한 제안으로 이 제안을 받아들인다"고 동의한 뒤 곧바로 푸틴을 대선 후보로 추천했다.

      메드베데프는 "나는 내각에서 실무를 맡을 준비가 돼 있다"며 "통합러시아당이 내년 대선 후보로 푸틴 총리를 추대하는 게 합당하다고 생각한다"고 말했다.

      메드베데프는 전당대회 참석자들이 이 제안에 박수로 호응하자 "이 박수는 푸틴 총리가 어떤 경험과 권위를 누리고 있는지를 내가 굳이 설명하지 않도록 했다"고 덧붙였다.

      그는 이어 "사람들이 항상 내게 언제 (대선 입후보에 대해) 결정할지를 물었고 어떤 때는 나와 푸틴 총리 모두에게 '서로 싸우고 결별한 게 아니냐'는 등의 질문을 하기도 했다"며 "우리가 (오늘) 전당대회에서 제안한 것은 아주 깊이 검토한 결정"이라고 강조했다.

      그는 "사실 푸틴 총리와 나 사이에 동지적 동맹 관계가 만들어졌을 때부터 우리는 이러한 상황 전개를 논의했다"고 밝혀 2008년 대선을 통해 자신이 대통령을 맡고 푸틴이 총리로 물러날 때부터 푸틴의 크렘린 복귀에 대한 합의가 있었음을 시사했다.

      메드베데프 대통령 연설 뒤 다시 연단에 오른 푸틴 총리는 먼저 자신의 국가 경제 발전 프로그램을 설명한 뒤 대선 후보 추대에 대해 "큰 영광"이라며 수락 의사를 밝혔다.

      이에 당 대회 참석자들은 우레와 같은 박수를 보냈다. 푸틴은 이어 12월 총선에서 메드베데프 대통령이 이끄는 통합러시아당을 지지해 달라고 부탁하면서 "총선은 정치 안정화를 위한 기본 환경을 만드는 첫 걸음"이라고 강조했다.

      푸틴은 그러면서 "대선 뒤 메드베데프는 내각을 맡아 국가 현대화를 이끌 효율적 그룹을 구성할 것"이라고 말했다. 자신이 대통령이 되면 메드베데프가 총리를 맡아 내각을 이끌 것임을 기정사실화한 것이다.

      한편, 통합러시아당에 따르면 모스크바 시내 '루즈니키' 경기장에서 열린 이날 전당대회에는 러시아 전역에서 모인 지역별 당 대표와 초청인사 등 1만1천여명이 참석했다.

      통합러시아당 최고위원회 위원장이자 하원 의장을 맡고 있는 보리스 그리즐로프는 "정당명부 확정을 위한 전당대회에 이처럼 많은 인사가 모인 건 사상 처음"이라며 "이는 우리당에 대한 유권자들의 단합된 지지를 보여주기 위한 것"이라고 설명했다.

      통합러시아당은 이날 전당대회에서 총선 공약과 함께 약 600명의 하원 의원 후보 명단을 확정한다. 러시아 전역을 대표하는 연방 후보 명단과 지역별 후보 명단이 함께 정해진다.

      통합러시아당은 앞서 러시아 전역에서 치러진 경선 과정을 통해 후보자들을 선정했다. 후보자 선정 과정에는 당 인사와 함께 지난 5월 푸틴 총리가 선거용으로 결성한 정치ㆍ사회단체 '전(全)러시아국민전선' 회원 등 150만명이 참여했다고 통합러시아당은 밝혔다.

      *푸틴도 내년을 준비할거 같군요 단군님^*
      • 단군   2011-09-25 15:37:02   ตอบกลับ   

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        내년 러시아 대선에 푸틴이 출마 하는 것은 기정사실 이고요 전쟁으로 마무리를 하겠다는 의지를 읽어야 할 것으로 생각을 합니다...

        작금의 푸틴은 러시아에서 영웅적인 인물 입니다...

        지난 20여년 전 고르바초프가 거덜낸 러시아를 현재 상황으로 올려놓은 인물이 푸틴 입니다...

        메드베데프는 애당초 대톨령으로써의 깜량이 아니었습니다...

        단지, 법적으로 푸틴이 재등장 하기 전까지의 땜빵용 입니다...

        이제 큰 그림이 거의 완성이 되가고 있다고 생각이 되어 집니다...

        좋은 소식 감사합니다, 짚신님...^^b

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